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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by monocularvision »

dijit wrote: post #398
nicpottier wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think phone manufacturers will figure it out once it is a requirement. Was switching everyone to USB-C annoying for Apple? Sure. Are we in a better place because the EU forced it. You betcha. That's the point. I don't love everything the EU does (cookie banners!?) but this is one where I have confidence that the consumer will ultimately benefit. As others have noted, most people do not replace their phones every tw…

Cookie banners is malicious compliance. The ultimate goal being for you yo think it was bad legislation instead of how every company is fucking you for your privacy. They’re winning.

Why does the EU Commission site have cookie banners then?

https://commission.europa.eu

Malicious compliance?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by wolvoleo »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

Batteries have been used as part of planned obsolescence for too long and a whole small business industry of replacing phone batteries has appeared because of it. Next the EU are going to have to address security patches because its another aspect being used to sell new phones.

> Next the EU are going to have to address security patches because its another aspect being used to sell new phones.

They already are. 5 years of updates is now the legal minimum in the EU. https://www.osnews.com/story/142500/new-eu-rules-mandate-fiv...

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by jeppester »

emtel wrote: post #258

One of the most frustrating things about HN is that people seem so unaware of how idiosyncratic their preferences are. If you stood on the street corner and asked every passerby what they would change about their phone, I think you would be there all day before someone said "I wish I could replace the battery". It's okay to have idiosyncratic preferences (I certainly do), but people should recognize that this law wil…

With the battery no longer a concern, more people will opt to buy used phones rather than cheap new phones.

Som even if most people change phone before the battery gets really bad (I doubt that this is really the case), the end result will still be that fewer new phones will be purchased.

Now we just need a law that requires hardware makers unlock their devices when they stop providing updates.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by thebruce87m »

mancerayder wrote: post #388

Every single Pixel upgrade I made - every single one - in the last decade has been because of battery life. This law will be tragic for Google and Apple. What will compel people to upgrade their functional phones?

> Every single Pixel upgrade I made - every single one

You make it sound like a large number. I’m keeping iPhones for 4 years now and upgrading because of cameras. Are pixels really that bad?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by ragall »

Shish2k wrote: post #541
cozzyd wrote: post #274

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It used to be true that it made sense to replace your phone every few years because new ones were so much better. But like... I have a Pixel 8 and there's not really anything in a newer phone that's compelling enough to spend any money on...

Funnily enough I'm looking at getting a new phone because my pixel 6 battery no longer lasts 9am until 6pm without a mid-day charge -- I looked at the latest pixels (10) and they looked neat, but expensive; so took a look at the 9's, and saw they're basically exactly the same at 60% the price; then looked at the 8's and they're basically the same except 40% the price...

I expect the smartphone market to switch to a sales model where devices are somewhat more expensive, but more durable and to some extent more serviceable than in the past, so many will buy refurbished phones instead of new ones. I can see some similarities with the used car market, or hi-fi audio receivers, for example.

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Post by tsoukase »

Both options have pros and cons but IMHO the cons for replaceable are more.

Since 2020 phone hardware and especially battery has become much better, reliable and long lasting, at least at not dirt cheap ones. It will fail long after the screen brakes or the software updates stop. And a replaceable battery degrades the design.

On the other side a new battery makes an old phone like new. But again it only costs 15-20E to change it in a non-repl phone.

The only real reason to promote battery repl is to reduce e-waste.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by kbelder »

fnoef wrote: post #515
emtel wrote: post #258

One of the most frustrating things about HN is that people seem so unaware of how idiosyncratic their preferences are. If you stood on the street corner and asked every passerby what they would change about their phone, I think you would be there all day before someone said "I wish I could replace the battery". It's okay to have idiosyncratic preferences (I certainly do), but people should recognize that this law wil…

I had a perfectly fine iPhone 11 I bought new. The first thing I replaced in it was battery. I had to pay for “genuine” Apple battery + certified laboratory. The price was higher than the price of my iPhone as second hand, but I liked this phone. Then I sold it, because I ran out of 64GB space. If I could add an sd card, I would probably use this phone longer, instead of contributing to consumerism and creating more…

The ideal phone for me:

    * sd card slot
    * headphone jack
    * replaceable battery
    * THICK for larger battery and structural integrity.

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Post by butvacuum »

tencentshill wrote: post #585

This must be paired with strong lithium battery import regulation. Even the highest quality OEM batteries can fail in dangerous ways (See many models of Samsung, Surface or Macbook). Cheap, dangerous Chinese imports must be eliminated as an option, because the secondhand owners doing this replacement will likely buy the cheapest replacement battery available on the market.

the largest danger with pouch cells will always be mishandling followed by bad BMS.

it's so routine that they get abused that every llm I asked blamed leaving laptops plugged in for a spicy pillow.

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Post by dijit »

monocularvision wrote: post #591
dijit wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cookie banners is malicious compliance. The ultimate goal being for you yo think it was bad legislation instead of how every company is fucking you for your privacy. They’re winning.

Why does the EU Commission site have cookie banners then? https://commission.europa.eu Malicious compliance?

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by superfrank »

buran77 wrote: post #555
superfrank wrote: post #434

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> Most people I know only get new phones because their battery will no longer get them through the day I don't disagree with this, but I also think it's because the battery often dies around the time most people would consider upgrading anyway. The battery isn't the only reason people upgrade, it's just a forcing factor. If batteries normally last 3-5 years, I don't think we're going to start seeing most people keep…

> If batteries normally last 3-5 years, I don't think we're going to start seeing most people keep their phones for 7-10 years. I think they will eventually. People hang on to their computers for longer and longer because old ones are just good enough. Phones are getting to that same stage in their evolution where they stopped evolving by leaps and bounds between generations. A seven year old phone like an iPhone 11…

The second problem is already solved though. My wife just had to get her phone iPhone battery replaced so we went to the Apple store and it was $99 and the replacement took less than an hour.

The average person probably can't (or won't) replace an iPhone battery themselves right now, but getting an iPhone battery replaced is relatively easy and cheap compared to replacing the phone and yet most people still don't do it.

I feel people on here are forgetting that for a lot of people a phone is not just about utility. It's a lifestyle purchase that people tie into their self identity. That's why we see things like the whole blue bubble vs green bubble messaging drama that came up a few years ago.

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