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Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Re: Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Post by vzaliva »

I think it is fantastic to have more compiler implementations. It was probably also a fun project to code. What I find lacking in web pages is a motivation. What makes it different from popular compilers? Where is this project heading? What would be potential benefits/use-cases for using this compiler vs others, lessons learned, etc.?

Re: Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Post by adamrt »

vzaliva wrote: post #2

I think it is fantastic to have more compiler implementations. It was probably also a fun project to code. What I find lacking in web pages is a motivation. What makes it different from popular compilers? Where is this project heading? What would be potential benefits/use-cases for using this compiler vs others, lessons learned, etc.?

I agree on it being fantastic.

For your other questions I found these in the linked text

    - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#goals-and-priorities
    - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#history-and-future-plans

Re: Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Post by lolpython »

adamrt wrote: post #3
vzaliva wrote: post #2

I think it is fantastic to have more compiler implementations. It was probably also a fun project to code. What I find lacking in web pages is a motivation. What makes it different from popular compilers? Where is this project heading? What would be potential benefits/use-cases for using this compiler vs others, lessons learned, etc.?

I agree on it being fantastic. For your other questions I found these in the linked text - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#goals-and-priorities - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#history-and-future-plans

Those sections don't really provide details on the author's motivations to be honest

Re: Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

lolpython wrote: post #4
adamrt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree on it being fantastic. For your other questions I found these in the linked text - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#goals-and-priorities - https://sr.ht/~jprotopopov/kefir/#history-and-future-plans

Those sections don't really provide details on the author's motivations to be honest

I think they provide enough information to take a reasonable guess. It seems likely to me that the author is the type of programmer who prefers to understand what their code is doing, with as little magic involved as possible. Using other people's compilers is very magical, all kinds of transformations are being applied to the code you wrote and you are relying entirely on abstractions without really knowing how your code translates to controlling the hardware. Some people prefer to know exactly that.

Re: Kefir C17/C23 Compiler

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Post by fuhsnn »

vzaliva wrote: post #2

I think it is fantastic to have more compiler implementations. It was probably also a fun project to code. What I find lacking in web pages is a motivation. What makes it different from popular compilers? Where is this project heading? What would be potential benefits/use-cases for using this compiler vs others, lessons learned, etc.?

I have found portability bugs in many projects with slimcc just because it exposed different preprocessor defines, some gate critical __attribute__ behind __GNUC__ check, some have buggy fallback to __builtin functions or VLA that nobody noticed in years, these could have been avoided with just an automatic build job in the CI with kefir or slimcc, (tcc is awesome but less suited for being a drop-in).

It is also important to have more independent implementations of the C standard, not only to sort out dark corners in the specification (current WG14 have been doing great), but to prevent it turning into GCC-Clang power struggle.

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