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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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While this is a good step forward, it feels like complaining about the 0.025% of plastic from straws in the ocean while ignoring the 75% of plastic from fishing nets. I own a 2020 Kona EV. The battery cannot be upgraded. Eventually, I'll have to replace the entire car to get a longer range. BEVs should be mandated to have upgradable batteries and modular interfaces so that the shell can continue to be reused, the bat…

it's all virtue signalling. Always has been.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected.

Is 1000 cycles above 80% even possible without gimping the device like apple does with all its hardware?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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People shouldn't have to go to a special store or buy special tools requiring special skills to change a battery.

Engage with the content of his comment instead of resorting to ad hominem. He's right - the market wants embedded batteries, although perhaps not directly. Embedded batteries have improved price, battery capacity, water proofing, size, and strength. If the consumer really wanted a removable battery and all that that entails then there would be more phones that offered that. The reality is people misjudge what all tha…

I originally did engage with the comment. Water-resistance absolutely still is physically possible if the replacement battery is waterproof. Water can over time be corrosive at the contacts, but that's a risk for the user. It does not in any way imply that water will enter the internals of the device from the point of contact with the battery. This will require a bit of engineering at the contact to ensure that water doesn't enter the device. As for the size argument, adding 2 mm of thickness is less important than providing five years of extra life.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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While this is a good step forward, it feels like complaining about the 0.025% of plastic from straws in the ocean while ignoring the 75% of plastic from fishing nets. I own a 2020 Kona EV. The battery cannot be upgraded. Eventually, I'll have to replace the entire car to get a longer range. BEVs should be mandated to have upgradable batteries and modular interfaces so that the shell can continue to be reused, the bat…

You bought a car with some range, you are fine with it. Why you have to replace it with longer range?

Should I be able to eventually replace gas tank with the larger one in my ICE vehicle?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

#175
I hate to say it, but the lack of removable batteries serves a purpose. It wasn't done just because 'screw consumers'.

It was done because:

* It makes phones massively easier to waterproof

* It allows for larger batteries

* It allows for more compact and lighter phones

Consumers, based on what they buy, have shown again and again that they want these features.

It also simplifies manufacture and lowers costs, which everyone likes.

I like removable batteries. If I had the option, I'd get a phone with that feature. But I know that I am certainly in the minority, as is almost everyone in this thread.

It's also worth pointing out that these days, battery and software have advanced to the point where degradation is quite slow in many cases. The phone will often outlive its useful life due to specs rather than battery.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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People shouldn't have to go to a special store or buy special tools requiring special skills to change a battery.

I'd rather my phone be waterproof than have a battery I can replace myself

Why do you imply that the phone could no longer be waterproof? Granted, it would take a bit of extra engineering to make it comparably waterproof. There is no reasonable implication that water needs to leak into the internals of the device where it makes contact with the battery.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Anything except full support of the EU during European hours gets downvoted

That sounds like seeing a pattern where there is none (apophenia). Do you have examples of posts that wouldn't be downvoted outside of times where Europe/Africa is awake, or that weren't only because it was posted outside of said hours?

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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While this is a good step forward, it feels like complaining about the 0.025% of plastic from straws in the ocean while ignoring the 75% of plastic from fishing nets. I own a 2020 Kona EV. The battery cannot be upgraded. Eventually, I'll have to replace the entire car to get a longer range. BEVs should be mandated to have upgradable batteries and modular interfaces so that the shell can continue to be reused, the bat…

You bought a car with some range, you are fine with it. Why you have to replace it with longer range? Should I be able to eventually replace gas tank with the larger one in my ICE vehicle?

Batteries degrade, you know.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Apple has no chance to claim their batteries can have 80% capacity after 1000 cycles seeing how they never achieved this so far. Lying about it puts them in a world of mass recalls and fraud investigations.

Depends on how "cycle" is defined - I'm sure they can finagle it so "any charge added to the battery" counts as a cycle. As a datapoint my iPhone reports 522 cycles and 89% max - from march 2024. I do use the "limit charging to 80%" feature which I suspect may become mandatory before 2027 ...

>Depends on how "cycle" is defined - I'm sure they can finagle it so "any charge added to the battery" counts as a cycle.

the definition of a battery cycle is very well established. there isnt really any room to finagle it.

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