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A few thoughts from instant gut reaction:

- you're on HN, so you have an opportunity to tell us the name of the thing - marketing

- perhaps consider your marketing budget to be the area you need to invest in now, and indirectly how that budget can actually generate a little revenue and exercise the engine - e.g. do you have packages you can ship through your service to announce it to others? Use your marketing budget to do it and collect your marketplace fees - marketing again. Nothing says I believe in my product like using it for real (IMHO).

- a bold and risky move (?) - most would say fake it till you make it - but I for one tire of this tactic. How about approaching this with honesty and reward the first adopters? "We're brand new but you can be the first to help us prove out this model?".

- your marketplace is a network. Search for an opening that has viral properties. Try to tap into something that has a network effect, go to where your customer is and see how you can target/advertise strategically and respectfully - become a trusted partner to one or more communities (e.g. thinking out loud, eBay sellers maybe?). This could include finding the right partner(s) who have a problem and are willing to give you a shot in an existing network.

On the last point - as an example of the viral thing - I worked on a real estate tool a while back. We found a viral hook - there were for sure properties that needed to be processed and worked through the tool - we email invited the parties involved in the transaction to invite them to work on the property in the secure tool, and we gave them the ability to invite others working the same transaction to the tool, and we focused everything on polishing that workflow and experience.

This way, as soon as one person used the tool they could invite others to use it legitimately to work in the tool and that was the viral aspect.

This points to, replace real estate tool and house with "package" and invite... and can you achieve something viral that spreads itself... like, when someone ships with your tool, it emails the recipient with the link to your site for status tracking and a call to action to make them want to ship using your platform.

This to me is a lot of marketing and product strategy around incentivizing the network effect.

Disclaimer: I never made millions of dollars off a marketplace. But I did help stand up the real estate mechanism I mentioned and that business reliably brought in 5-10 grand a month with no marketing effort and just that one mechanism, and it also helped us find a few key network partners. That's what drives my feedback.

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#32

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All humor and pithy quips aside. The assumed liability is very different. A driver of a commercial courier accidentally transporting an illegal substance is at much less personal risk than an average citizen or small business.

I think this match-maker platform should be willing to shoulder more that liability. KYC but for bill of lading as well?

While not 1-1 or perfect, AirBnb and TaskRabbit platforms include insurance and other risk mitigations for both sides of p2p relationship.

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My bigger question is how you would validate this isn't drugs because this seems like the perfect low effort way to send high value drugs.

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I note that both Airbnb and Uber marketed as "use part of something you're not otherwise using", and almost immediately became professionalized. Full time drivers. People buying apartments to let out.

Maybe they wouldn't have worked without that professionalization? Which is of course not possible if you're going the "passing traveller" model.

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Yes because if someone gets stopped carrying contraband who works for FedEx, delivering in a FedEx truck, wearing a FedEx uniform is going to be treated the same as Bob in his Honda Civic who said he picked up a package from a known trap house and had no idea what was in it.

Doesn't Uber have a courier service too?

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My bigger question is how you would validate this isn't drugs because this seems like the perfect low effort way to send high value drugs.

Check-in explicitly asks you "have you packed your bags yourself", and then you have to either say "no I have this random package from a stranger which might contain anything" or lie to customs. TBH, I can't really think of a market for this that isn't contraband. The "last mile" looks really annoying as well. Edit: I think it's a legit marketing question for OP. Name three different kinds of item someone might want…

I can easily imagine a market for this, because I was in the market for this until last week.

I had a large, bulky, and fragile package I needed to send to Florida from New Jersey. The shipping corps were happy to do it for me for $500+, and no guarantee that it wouldn't arrive as a box of shattered glass.

I ended up finding someone in town who happened to be driving there, and was kind enough to deliver it for me. They still offer no such guarantee, but they also were kind enough not to charge me for this!

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My bigger question is how you would validate this isn't drugs because this seems like the perfect low effort way to send high value drugs.

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Uber and Airbnb had budgets to subsidize the first mass of people. Heck, I’m less than nobody and got paid the first several times I used an Uber.

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Check-in explicitly asks you "have you packed your bags yourself", and then you have to either say "no I have this random package from a stranger which might contain anything" or lie to customs. TBH, I can't really think of a market for this that isn't contraband. The "last mile" looks really annoying as well. Edit: I think it's a legit marketing question for OP. Name three different kinds of item someone might want…

I can easily imagine a market for this, because I was in the market for this until last week. I had a large, bulky, and fragile package I needed to send to Florida from New Jersey. The shipping corps were happy to do it for me for $500+, and no guarantee that it wouldn't arrive as a box of shattered glass. I ended up finding someone in town who happened to be driving there, and was kind enough to deliver it for me. T…

> They still offer no such guarantee, but they also were kind enough not to charge me for this!

Sure, but like open source, the dynamics are different when it's a favor without money changing hands. OP's market would want compensation, and then inevitably someone has to deal with the "my package arrived as a pile of shattered glass" claims.

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Check-in explicitly asks you "have you packed your bags yourself", and then you have to either say "no I have this random package from a stranger which might contain anything" or lie to customs. TBH, I can't really think of a market for this that isn't contraband. The "last mile" looks really annoying as well. Edit: I think it's a legit marketing question for OP. Name three different kinds of item someone might want…

I can easily imagine a market for this, because I was in the market for this until last week. I had a large, bulky, and fragile package I needed to send to Florida from New Jersey. The shipping corps were happy to do it for me for $500+, and no guarantee that it wouldn't arrive as a box of shattered glass. I ended up finding someone in town who happened to be driving there, and was kind enough to deliver it for me. T…

It's a thing in second world countries too. There are small communities that don't get package delivery, so they ship packages to the capital city and then pay someone to drive packages to their community once a week or so. I've heard of people paying $50 a package in places with pretty low incomes.

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#40
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In this day and age, I would never carry something for someone this way. It's such a bad idea. You could land in prison. Even if you're taking books, the spines might contain fentanyl. And I have no idea how you get past that. That being said, there is a long-established business for this kind of thing for companies, not individuals, that goes back decades. Here are two examples: 1. 30+ years ago companies would give…

> They could've ordered it. It would get sent and then sit in a customs warehouse until it gets cleared. That could take days or even a week or more. Not having it was costing half a million dollars a day. So what did they do? They flew someone across the Atlantic to the US to get the parts, pay exorbitant extra baggage fees (it was large) and come back with it. Why? Because passenger baggage would immediately pass through customs at the airport. This would likely save 5-10 days.

I knew a case like this where a coworker took a $50k networking switch in his hand luggage to Brazil. With the extra detail that the company it was on behalf of wanted him to lie to customs (because the import duty on electronics was something like 50%!)

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