Anecdotal, of course, but the biggest change I ever made in my life was right before bed: take a screaming hot shower with dim lighting. I'd say 95% of the time, I get in bed and just pass out and have no real memory of time passing before falling asleep.
Sauna effect on heart rate
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Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes? My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn'…
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity. Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and bruta…
Problem is sauna use and genetic factors corrolate too strongly to make any conclusion to the broader population. If you live in/near Finland you likely sauna often, as have all your ancestors for thousands of years. If you don't live there both are false. Thus we can't know if Sauna is helpful for the general population who isn't of a Finish background.
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#53Not to be glib, but being dead lowers your night time heart rate more then exercise as well.
Is having a lower night time heart rate the core goal of exercise? Is it even a goal at all? Or is it just an indicator of other goals being reached? I'm genuinely curious, I wasn't aware that the number mattered, more than what that number actually represents.
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this was a peer-reviewed paper, it won't pass. - Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke? - Why did you use the minimum heart rate value (which could be a measurement glitch) and did not compare a percentile (e.g., 2.5th lowest percentile)? - Were all assumptions for paired t-testing valid? How did you account for likely temporal correlations in the data (e.g., sauna could h…
> Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke If the statistical tests show significance (and are valid), the answer to this question is yes. If you have enough data you can make strong conclusions even witwith imperfect hardware.
Unless the effect they're measuring is that the wearable measures differently in sauna days.
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes? My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn'…
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity. Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and bruta…
The "blue-zone" studies are flawed, so we shouldn't infer too much from lifestyle generalizations about people in them.
https://www.science.org/content/article/do-blue-zones-suppos...
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like we need an acronym for this kind of comment. I am pretty sure approximately 100% of HN posts now include at least one comment where someone, somehow, knows that an article is written by AI and resents it. For Claude we have the ever present "you are absolutely right" and this is like it's human mirror. Something like TLDR; but meaning "uhg, written by AI".
This article is a brilliant skewering of the 'em dash means LLM' heuristic as a broken trick deployed by those too-clever-by-half. 1. https://www.scottsmitelli.com/articles/em-dash-tool/
Thank you for this. This is like finding a book where someone has written down what I've been thinking, but better than I ever could.
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes? My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn'…
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity. Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and bruta…
> People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports)
Not exercising as in sports and not exercising, period, are very different. If you look at the American blue zone, those people are certainly exercising; daily nature walks are baked into their theology.
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
we agree - but thats not that simple :)
> who logged sauna sessions via connected apps It seems you ask participants to log if they went to sauna. Out of curiosity, why is it not simple to also ask for a type?
i was mostly refering to humidity/duration/temperature given that most devices do not report back these values
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes? My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn'…
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity. Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and bruta…
There is some evidence suggesting that "blue zones" are largely about pension fraud. https://fortune.com/europe/2024/12/14/are-blue-zones-myth-ex...
Re: Sauna effect on heart rate
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this was a peer-reviewed paper, it won't pass. - Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke? - Why did you use the minimum heart rate value (which could be a measurement glitch) and did not compare a percentile (e.g., 2.5th lowest percentile)? - Were all assumptions for paired t-testing valid? How did you account for likely temporal correlations in the data (e.g., sauna could h…
> Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke If the statistical tests show significance (and are valid), the answer to this question is yes. If you have enough data you can make strong conclusions even witwith imperfect hardware.
Strong conclusion that the hardware is precisely imperfect?