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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by cvwright »

amazingamazing wrote: post #54

And to think some said developers aren’t affected by marketing. The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you. Meanwhile you can literally write some code, make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you. You can go and try it now. There’s nothing mystique about it. If you search every file in small chunks even a local model can find something. If anything the…

It’s easy to find sketchy lines of code in any large C project.

The big advance that they are claiming with Mythos is the ability to triage all the hundreds of candidate vulns and automatically generate exploits to prove that the real ones are real. And if they’re really finding 27-yr-old 0-days in OpenBSD, then it’s not just hype.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by me_me_me »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #49
goolz wrote: post #22

The pace at which we sprint toward a full blown surveillance state, with unaccountable oracles sentencing us for pre-crime, is alarming to say the least.

Snowdens document leaks happened in 2013 (implying the surveillance state was set up well before then). So this is more a leisurely stroll than a sprint.

Is it though, current US President is openly for sale. If you need something done you go to Donald and pay the price. Need a pardon? No problem.

Its broad daylight mafia state, the way they operate. 15 years ago Fox News tried to generate outrage because obama wore tan suit.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by khuey »

seydor wrote: post #81
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

Plot twist it gets acquired by the US govt.

If this happens it's not going to take the form of them getting "acquired", they're going to end up forced to become a defense contractor like Lockheed Martin or Raytheon where their primary customer is the USG and all of their sales require governmental approval.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by tekacs »

consumer451 wrote: post #63

Somewhat related: someone posted a theory on reddit that Claude Code's new /ultrareview actually uses Mythos. Does that seem plausible to anyone else? It runs on their cloud. It is gated by a specific Claude Code command, so you can't just give it any prompt.

Something in favor of this is the fact that it runs in their cloud and literally tells you that it costs I think $10 to $25 per run

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by khuey »

ethbr1 wrote: post #74
honzaik wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last week's "truth" ( https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1164091464198... ) "I am willing to risk the giving up of my Rights and Privileges as a Citizen for our Great Military and Country! Our Military Patriots desperately need FISA 702, and it is one of the reasons we have had such tremendous SUCCESS on the battlefield."

The most surprising thing about watching the Trump trainwreck has been in how spineless he is about any personal ideological conviction. He cares about perceptions of him. He cares about power and money. But past that it's literally... whoever was last in the room with him. Which in this case was obviously Palantir. And 50 days ago was Hegseth.

The only remotely ideological conviction he has is "trade bad, tariffs good".

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by garbawarb »

daemonologist wrote: post #60
maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

> This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. You might even call it... a tight spot

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by amazingamazing »

ceejayoz wrote: post #73
amazingamazing wrote: post #54

And to think some said developers aren’t affected by marketing. The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you. Meanwhile you can literally write some code, make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you. You can go and try it now. There’s nothing mystique about it. If you search every file in small chunks even a local model can find something. If anything the…

> make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you Well, yeah. Isn't the idea finding unknown vulnerabilities?

Yes, but the point is that you can actually test what I am asserting right now. Can you use mythos and reproduce anthropics claims?

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by dooglius »

estearum wrote: post #15
giantg2 wrote: post #9

This is not surprising. Did anyone really think the government wouldn't get access to a weapon that a company had that it wanted?

You're misunderstanding. The government is the one that said it didn't want/couldn't use this "weapon."

Normal military procurement is going to go through process and use the APIs that Anthropic gives them. The NSA just has to has to achieve the goal of getting the weights out of the target computer.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by amazingamazing »

cvwright wrote: post #91
amazingamazing wrote: post #54

And to think some said developers aren’t affected by marketing. The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you. Meanwhile you can literally write some code, make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you. You can go and try it now. There’s nothing mystique about it. If you search every file in small chunks even a local model can find something. If anything the…

It’s easy to find sketchy lines of code in any large C project. The big advance that they are claiming with Mythos is the ability to triage all the hundreds of candidate vulns and automatically generate exploits to prove that the real ones are real. And if they’re really finding 27-yr-old 0-days in OpenBSD, then it’s not just hype.

I do not think you need a great model to do this, just great automation. There’s a reason they haven’t open sourced the actual process in which did this, stubbing out the mythos model itself.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Post by hoppp »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

They created the model specifically to play this game.
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