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IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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Very misleading title: it should be "Solar leads global energy growth for the first time". Still good news, but a long, long way from solar becoming the world's primary source of energy.

Should it be ‘solar leading energy subsidy growth’.

Solar subsidies still pale in comparison to oil and gas subsidies worldwide

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We still tend to attribute those deaths to those leaders, because their brutally authoritarian rule was what allowed those mistakes to go unchallenged and get fixed before they caused that level of harm. What is the analogue here for attributing the rise of alternative energy sources to Trump? Being too incompetent to avoid harm isn't the same as being too incompetent to avoid benefit, because your job is to create…

Trump's stated goal of regime change in Iran would (likely) have been a positive outcome if it has actually happened. The problem is that it hasn't.

> Trump's stated goal of regime change in Iran would (likely) have been a positive outcome if it has actually happened

The number of Americans still believing this is baffling and saya everything about their history education.

"The previous 20 times we forced regime change ended up a net negative for the people in those countries, but surely this time it would've been different!".

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should it be ‘solar leading energy subsidy growth’.

No chance, fossil fuels are subsidized more. A large share of solar growth is from countries like Pakistan who have had some subsidies but total dollar amount of them is trivial.

Got source?

China only ended solar panel export subsidy this month.

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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> And nuclear is making a comeback: More than 12 GW of new reactors began construction in 2025 By the time they are ready they will have contributed so many carbon emissions, that they'll have to run for 25% of their expected life span to get them back. But by the time they are commissioned (~2036), solar + battery + solar-made hydrocarbons will have made them uneconomic, and solar would have made far fewer emissions…

Solar made hydrocarbons are never going to be economical.

Confident predictions of the inevitability of renewable diesel at $3 a liter don't add up because diesel is $3 a liter right now. I am literally paying that at the pump. I will actually happily pay more then that if the diesel were actually renewable, but instead it doesn't exist.

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #3

Maybe "accidentally killing fossil fuels" will be DT's singular good deed

Just Stop Oil announced the cessation of all activities in my country.

Officially it's because reportedly they've achieved their goals locally, but I can't help but think that it was really because the POTUS Just Stopped way more Oil than they ever imagined they could.

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost is the barrier

Cost is no longer the barrier as today even the upfront cost of solar is competitive against upfront cost for building coal or gas power plant. While there is no cost of fuel for solar. In China and India even solar + battery is cheaper than new coal power plants.

A recent Danish research[1] found that the cheapest energy mix (that includes system costs like energy storage) right now for them is offshore wind power (66%), natural gas CCGT (26%), and solar PV (8%). Solar panels are cheap, but their system cost is the highest.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036054422...

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #6

"Overall, renewables and nuclear together met nearly 60% of the growth in energy demand". That's not enough. It's obvious this is going in the right direction but adoption is still too slow, considering how cheap renewables are now (and will be).

Read it carefully. The growth in renewables exceeded the growth in electricity demand. The 60% figure is all forms of energy.

Stated another way, we could (hypothetically) stop building coal and gas fired electrial generation and we'd still have enough renewable growth to cover electrical needs.

There's certainly room to start offsetting non-electrical power usage, but that's a different ball game entirely. I'd be pretty happy if we got to a point where only transportation ran on oil. To do that, we need enough renewables to both offset growth (done) and to start shutting down non-renewable generation. Even if we did nothing, those plants have a usable service life of < 100 years so we're within a human lifetime of not needing them anymore.

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #29

I wonder what political and trade consequences can be expected when oil actually does start seeing real decreased usage. I mean one obvious thing has already started: governments taxing the sun (well, solar panels) pretty heavily (meaning above VAT), which I imagine will increase, and what the result will be. It's weird to say this, but solar panel smuggling is actually already a thing now. I used to have a Louis XIV…

A pretty big one is the hollowing out of the international power oil producers have over the life of fossil importers; the middle east becomes pretty irrelevant for Latin America if you don't need their oil, and maybe Lebanon will avoid an US invasion if the newly discovered gas cannot find buyers anyway.

Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No chance, fossil fuels are subsidized more. A large share of solar growth is from countries like Pakistan who have had some subsidies but total dollar amount of them is trivial.

Got source? China only ended solar panel export subsidy this month.

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Re: IEA: Solar overtakes all energy sources in a major global first

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No chance, fossil fuels are subsidized more. A large share of solar growth is from countries like Pakistan who have had some subsidies but total dollar amount of them is trivial.

Got source? China only ended solar panel export subsidy this month.

The US oil subsidy currently is projected to increase the Pentagon budget from one trillion to one and half. I bet one could build a lot of solar panels for 500 billion dollars, and you can use them more than once, too.
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