Notion leaks email addresses of all editors of any public page
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#2Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
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#3Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
I think we’ll start seeing consulting agencies advertise how many vulnerabilities that can resolve per million token, and engineering teams feeling pressure to merge this generated code.
We’ll also see more token heavy services like dependabot, sonar cube, etc that specialize in providing security related PR Reviews and codebase audits.
This is one of the spaces where a small team could build something that quickly pulls great ARR numbers.
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#4Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
The problem is that they don't "need" to. There's no consequences for not caring, and no incentive to care.
We need laws and a competent government to force these companies to care by levying significant fines or jail time for executives depending on severity. Not fines like 0.00002 cents per exposed customers, existential fines like 1% of annual revinue for each exposed customer. If you fuck up bad enough, your company burns to the ground and your CEO goes to jail type consequences.
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#5I've been toying around an architecture that sets things up such that the data for each user is actually stored with each user and only materialized on demand, such that many data leaks would yield little since the server doesn't actually store most of the user data. I mention this since this sorts of leaks are inevitable as long as people are fallible. I feel the correct solution is to not store user data to begin with.
some problems I've identified:
1. suppose you have x users and y groups, of which require some subset of x. joining the data on demand can become expensive, O(x*y).
2. the main usefulness of such an architecture is if the data itself is stored with the user, but as group sizes y increase, a single user's data being offline makes aggregate usecases more difficult. this would lend itself to replicating the data server side, but that would defeat the purpose
3. assuming the previous two are solved, which is very difficult to say the least, how do you secure the data for the user such that someone who knows about this architecture can't just go to the clients and trivially scrape all of the data (per user)?
4. how do you allow for these features without allowing people to modify their data in ways you don't want to allow? encryption?
a concrete example of this would be if HN had it so that each user had a sqlite database that stored all of the posts made per user. then, HN server would actually go and fetch the data for each of the posters to then show the regular page. presumably here if a data of a given user is inaccessible then their data would be omitted.
Re: Notion leaks email addresses of all editors of any public page
#6Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
I think we’ll start seeing consulting agencies advertise how many vulnerabilities that can resolve per million token, and engineering teams feeling pressure to merge this generated code. We’ll also see more token heavy services like dependabot, sonar cube, etc that specialize in providing security related PR Reviews and codebase audits. This is one of the spaces where a small team could build something that quickly p…
The same vertical-specialist logic applies in legal tech. Law firms are drowning in contract review — NDA, MSAs, leases — and generic AI gives them vague answers with no accountability. The teams winning there aren't building 'AI for lawyers', they're building AI that cites every answer to a specific clause and pins professional liability to the output. That's a very different product than a chatbot.
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#7Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
The problem is that they don't "need" to. There's no consequences for not caring, and no incentive to care. We need laws and a competent government to force these companies to care by levying significant fines or jail time for executives depending on severity. Not fines like 0.00002 cents per exposed customers, existential fines like 1% of annual revinue for each exposed customer. If you fuck up bad enough, your comp…
This kind of response went out of fashion after Enron. Burning an entire company to the ground (in that case Arthur Andersen) and putting thousands out of work because of the misdeeds of a few - even if they were due to companywide culture problems - turned out to be disproportionate, wasteful, and cruel.
Re: Notion leaks email addresses of all editors of any public page
#8I've been toying around an architecture that sets things up such that the data for each user is actually stored with each user and only materialized on demand, such that many data leaks would yield little since the server doesn't actually store most of the user data. I mention this since this sorts of leaks are inevitable as long as people are fallible. I feel the correct solution is to not store user data to begin w…
I’ve always liked this idea but I think it eventually ends back up with essentially our current system. Users have multiple devices so you quickly get to needing a sync service. Once that gets complex enough, then people will outsource to a third party and then we are back to a FB/Google/Apple sign in and data mgmt world.
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#9Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
The problem is that they don't "need" to. There's no consequences for not caring, and no incentive to care. We need laws and a competent government to force these companies to care by levying significant fines or jail time for executives depending on severity. Not fines like 0.00002 cents per exposed customers, existential fines like 1% of annual revinue for each exposed customer. If you fuck up bad enough, your comp…
If the government wants me to take copyright and IP laws seriously, then they need to take my personal information seriously too.
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#10Big companys need to start caring more security and privacy of its users and employees
Nah. They care about profits only, the sooner the better, so everyone can cash out and move to their next “venture”