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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by xnx »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

If only there were a third major player, maybe one who was even much more established as a cloud provider...

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by storus »

krzyk wrote: post #580
storus wrote: post #331

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I run them all on an old Pentium J (Atom) NUC with 8GB RAM, so I don't even care. Some Chinese N100 mini PC for $100 is all one needs.

Using local models or external? If external, aren't they pricey? How much tokens they generate? If local, what runs on such hardware that gives reasonable results?

Local models on different machines with multiple RTX Pro 6000 or multiple DGX Sparks or a 512GB RAM Macstudio; the agents themselves run on that Pentium J NUC and just use exposed endpoints for local models. Forgejo for Git runs on another server. Therefore I don't really care if that NUC goes kaboom and can test everything quickly (OpenClaw, Hermes, Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode, Pi etc.). Or I can just use OpenRouter API key and access 10-100x cheaper models than Opus.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by Amicron »

LtWorf wrote: post #156
jorl17 wrote: post #123

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Totally this. People who don't see this seem to think we're in some sort of "bubble" or that we don't "ship proper code" or whatever else they believe in, but this change is happening. Maybe it'll be slower than I feel, but it will definitely happen. Of course I'm in a personal bubble, but I've got very clear signs that this trend is also happening outside of it. Here's an example from just yesterday. An acquaintance…

So they invented microsoft access?

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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by jhizzard »

troupo wrote: post #32
cjbarber wrote: post #14

My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. i.e. agents for knowledge workers who are not software engineers A few thoughts and questions: 1. I expect that this set of products will be extremely disruptive to many software businesses. It's like when a new VP joins a co…

> My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. They won't. Non-technical users expect a CEO's secretary from TV/movies: you do a vague request, the secretary does everything for you. LLMs cannot give you that by their own nature. > And eventually will the UI/interface b…

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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by Glemllksdf »

ultratalk wrote: post #481
gmueckl wrote: post #191

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Yes! Even closing the windows of programs that users no longer need is hard. It's easy to develop a disconnect with the level that average users operate at when understanding computers deeply is part of the job. I've definitely developed it myself to some extent, but I have occasional moments where my perspective is getting grounded again.

I don't think that's representative of most non-CS professionals. Most people in the fields I know (mostly professors, medical doctors, and businesspeople) can use google chrome, word, powerpoint, and a little of excel decently. There are the occasional few who confuse spreadsheets and databases, but no one who thinks shutting down computers or closing windows is hard. Heck, my ageing dad managed to troubleshoot his…

I'm not doing this to be patronising, more like telling people or myself that assumptions i make, are just not necessarily true for everyone.

And weirdly enough, a Task like sorting a file with data in it, if you are not a professional, windows offers very if not non single way of doing this. You would need to understand file types, understand that csv can be imported for excel, you need excel, than you need to understand excel how to sort stuff in it.

The ffirst thing I do in Excel is select the pseudo table and click on table -> insert to make it a sortable / real table. I showed this to every one in my Team full of studied CS people because non of them knew this.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by laurels-marts »

Zetaphor wrote: post #378
aniviacat wrote: post #199

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The fact that the Codex app is still unavailable on Linux makes me think the target audience isn't people who understand code.

Are you referring to the CLI Codex? That can be installed with NPM or Homebrew, and is fully open source.

Yes and the official docs even mention that if you’re on Windows you should run Codex CLI via WSL. Meaning, it’s specifically designed for unix systems.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by conradev »

16bitvoid wrote: post #217
zozbot234 wrote: post #211

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Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron.

Codex CLI is a TUI app, but Codex App is an actual desktop GUI app. If you actually look at the TFA, you'll see that all of the videos are of the desktop app.

Yes! and if you install Computer Use from the Codex App you can also use it from the Codex CLI

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by conradev »

swiftcoder wrote: post #167

Well I sure hope there's a toggle to turn those features off, because I don't want to open my entire UI surface to the potential of sandbox escape...

You have to install it to enable it, actually! Computer Use is also confined (read and write!) to apps that you've explicitly allowed.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by moojacob »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #400

All of you are ironically completely oblivious to the fact that you're training your own replacement by using these tools, you're even paying for it. Eventually, the companies you work for will just "hire" Anthropic or OpenAI agents in your place and you'll be out of job, no matter your seniority. Mark my words.

Do you think the labs are violating their no data collection agreements for enterprises?

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by ai-tamer »

ModernMech wrote: post #232
zozbot234 wrote: post #203

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Because it's not "PhD-expert level" at all, lol. Even the biggest models (Mythos, GPT-Pro, Gemini DeepThink) are nowhere near the level of effort that would be expected in a PhD dissertation, even in their absolute best domains. Telling it to work out a plan first is exactly how you would supervise an eager but not-too-smart junior coder. That's what AI is like, even at its very best.

I understand that but 1) expert-level performance is how they are being sold; but moreover 2) the level of hand-holding is kind of ridiculous. I'll give another example, Codex decided to write two identical functions linearize_token_output and token_output_linearize. Prompting it not to do things like that feels like plugging holes in a dyke. And through prompting, can you even guarantee it won't write duplicate code…

Note to self: don't go away for the weekend without HN ;-)

Personally I run several agents. At minimum Codex and Claude, so they cross-check each other. Exactly to avoid what you describe. Duplicate functions or "tests all pass" when nothing was implemented is the kind of thing a second model, reading the diff with fresh eyes, tends to flag immediately.

But it takes coordination and solid skills + rules to make it work. Tomorrow's battle -> AI skillers.

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