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Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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There was also the issue that one would also need a reader. Why would I buy a zip reader if no one else has one (network effect)? (Btw I never saw in my life a zip reader or a zip disk.) Whereas with USB sticks all one needed was a USB port. I immediately wanted a stick.

Most of us were using Zip drives to backup our files and then put the disks on shelf. There was no cloud backup, and 100MB was often enough for all your personal files.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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I'm sure this is the second time I even read about them.

I don't even think I've seen a single on here in Russia in the 90s.

5.25 in my fathers company? Sure. 3.5 everywhere else? Da. CDs at some point.

Hell, even minidisc was there (also almost non-existent, I think I know only two people who actually owned a minidisc player).

No sing of Zip.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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In all these nostalgic retrospectives, I never read how the zip drive can achieve 100x or more capacity than the floppy. What is the engineering feat that allowed this? There's one paragraph in Wikipedia that says the heads fly across the disk like a hard drive. OK, how did they manage that while the disk isn't sealed? Is that all it took? Similarly, articles just gloss right over the "click of death" without any tec…

Zip disks were much less floppy than floppies. They felt more similar to a single magnetic hard disk platen. Presumably the stiffness was what enabled the head to float above the medium, while also allowing tighter read/write timing because it wasn't subject to such variation. Having a single manufacturer of the disks (at least initially) probably also helped.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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There was also the issue that one would also need a reader. Why would I buy a zip reader if no one else has one (network effect)? (Btw I never saw in my life a zip reader or a zip disk.) Whereas with USB sticks all one needed was a USB port. I immediately wanted a stick.

Before the first iMac arrived with only USB ports and thereby forced peripheral makers to support USB, USB just wasn't all that common even in the Windows world: why would a 1997 manufacturer bother with USB when all the machines already had all the other ports we here in 2026 find subsumed into USB? But only a few years later, as you say, USB thumb drives were making Zip drives irrelevant.

USB was slooooooow in comparison to SCSI or later FireWire, though, so that took a hardware generations to really catch on.

I think the network effect was more a question of who had tons of data: for example, all of the graphic design shops had Zip or Jazz drives because they needed to schlep client deliverables around so you could just assume they had the hardware. Most people weren’t generating that much data before digital cameras became common.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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post #12

I'm sure this is the second time I even read about them. I don't even think I've seen a single on here in Russia in the 90s. 5.25 in my fathers company? Sure. 3.5 everywhere else? Da. CDs at some point. Hell, even minidisc was there (also almost non-existent, I think I know only two people who actually owned a minidisc player). No sing of Zip.

ZIP drives were too expensive for freshly post-Communist Czechia. A FDD would cost about USD 40-50, much more affordable than the ZIP drive with its 200 USD price tag. And the media were much cheaper, especially if you bought no-name diskettes for, say, USD 2-3. This way, you could discard a bad medium without feeling the economic pinch too much. Discarding a 20 USD ZIP medium would be quite painful.

I think I only saw two computers with ZIP drives in the wild, so to say. Which created its own anti-network effects: if there is no expectation of the other party having a compatible drive, you will either have to do with floppies, or maybe carry an external HDD with you, but you won't use an exotic and expensive format. Pretty much the only plausible use was backup.

I still believe that with a more aggressive price policy, ZIPs could have conquered a lot of territory in the 1990s. But 200/20 USD was just too much money to spend. Not just in the post-Soviet bloc, but almost everywhere in Asia, too. Big markets lost because of the cost, and therefore a chance to entrench the standard worldwide.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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post #11

There was also the issue that one would also need a reader. Why would I buy a zip reader if no one else has one (network effect)? (Btw I never saw in my life a zip reader or a zip disk.) Whereas with USB sticks all one needed was a USB port. I immediately wanted a stick.

Most of us were using Zip drives to backup our files and then put the disks on shelf. There was no cloud backup, and 100MB was often enough for all your personal files.

It was also used by professional who needed to transfer large (for the times) amounts of data but not so much or without the technical background that high density tapes or routinely swapping hard drives was sensible (or possible): images, document scans, …

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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Drives like these and the Syquest drives were essential for desktop publishing well into the early 2000s. I sent many such drives to various printing facilities --- or, sometimes (and, here, I really date myself) separate PostScript bureaus --- to obtain high-res, color-separated film for four-color commercial printing, either by local printers or magazines who would run ads for my employers of the time.

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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post #11

There was also the issue that one would also need a reader. Why would I buy a zip reader if no one else has one (network effect)? (Btw I never saw in my life a zip reader or a zip disk.) Whereas with USB sticks all one needed was a USB port. I immediately wanted a stick.

Most of us were using Zip drives to backup our files and then put the disks on shelf. There was no cloud backup, and 100MB was often enough for all your personal files.

this. IIRC the internal drive plus two disks being significantly cheaper than an external hard drive of similar capacity

Re: Why Zip drives dominated the 90s, then vanished almost overnight

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post #12

I'm sure this is the second time I even read about them. I don't even think I've seen a single on here in Russia in the 90s. 5.25 in my fathers company? Sure. 3.5 everywhere else? Da. CDs at some point. Hell, even minidisc was there (also almost non-existent, I think I know only two people who actually owned a minidisc player). No sing of Zip.

> I don't even think I've seen a single on here in Russia in the 90s.

I'm not surprised, considering they were expensive. That doesn't mean they weren't popular in the west.

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