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College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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No projects, no labs, no teamwork, no papers? What a narrow set of skills to send into your economy.

Given the way things are going, not knowing how to use AI will be like coming out not knowing about revision control

Isn't the selling point of AI that it does it for you? What's to learn?

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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This sounds extremely susceptible to unconscious bias, or even just straightforward discrimination.

It does! That’s why you can ask to be evaluated by a commission of professors. If you don’t pass after 3 tries, commission is mandatory. You also have a paper trail of written exams and midterms to back you up. If you keep getting good grades and failing the oral, people will find that obviously suspicious. Honestly the only times I had any trouble in the orals were the exams where I baaaaarely passed the written. Us…

> It does! That’s why you can ask to be evaluated by a commission of professors.

Still concerning from a statistical/psych fairness aspect.

There's a famous example of the Boston Symphony trying to fairly judge unseen applicants in 1952, and their results kept getting gender-skewed until they adjusted for the fact judges were reacting to the sound of shoes (e.g. high heels) when the candidate moved around behind the divider.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No projects, no labs, no teamwork, no papers? What a narrow set of skills to send into your economy.

Given the way things are going, not knowing how to use AI will be like coming out not knowing about revision control

I think you’re missing the /s.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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I like this. Related, this semester I've been using handwritten quizzes in class. A simple change that's been one of the best things as it changed students' expectations of class prep. Kind of do the readings and sort of prep and you can coast in class. But if you need to write out quiz answers you're forced to know the material better as well as maintain the ability to express yourself.

I also use low-point bonus questions to test general knowledge (huge variation on subjects I thought everyone knew).

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Exams in classroom with all the time pressure is also an important part of education. May be they should be low percentage of grade to prevent too much stress but it's am important learning experience

I disagree. Take home exams represent how work and progress occurs in the "real" world. There's nothing in the post education world that resembles in-person exams. Maybe the medical profession is a counter example.

> There's nothing in the post education world that resembles in-person exams.

I’d argue that dealing with any high criticality operational incident is like an in person exam (maybe even the most difficult kind, the open book one) if you are the one responsible for fixing it. Everyone is looking at you, you have time pressure to solve it ASAP and you can’t afford the time to dig through all the docs on the spot. So there’s at least some similarity with some real life situations.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Reading all these comments, I feel like US universities are a joke. I had to do all the exams in person. 100% of the grade was decided at the exam. Millions of people graduated this way and they are fine. No students were harmed in the process.

So you didn't have to do any course work? No collaboration? No labs? I'm not aware of any University that doesn't have coursework outside of online diploma mills.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Reading all these comments, I feel like US universities are a joke. I had to do all the exams in person. 100% of the grade was decided at the exam. Millions of people graduated this way and they are fine. No students were harmed in the process.

So you didn't have to do any course work? No collaboration? No labs? I'm not aware of any University that doesn't have coursework outside of online diploma mills.

In my undergrad, coursework did not count towards the grade for the module. But you earned the right to sit for the final exam by passing the courswork.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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I like this. Related, this semester I've been using handwritten quizzes in class. A simple change that's been one of the best things as it changed students' expectations of class prep. Kind of do the readings and sort of prep and you can coast in class. But if you need to write out quiz answers you're forced to know the material better as well as maintain the ability to express yourself. I also use low-point bonus qu…

I’ve been typing for years since the 80s. However, even in the 90s I found any extended period of handwriting to be painful and laborious. I don’t think I could handle an instructor that insisted on handwritten long form but I’d happily accept a compromise in the form of a typewriter.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Given the way things are going, not knowing how to use AI will be like coming out not knowing about revision control

Isn't the selling point of AI that it does it for you? What's to learn?

If the AI does it for you, you need to still learn what to do.

What is the "it" that AI does for you?

This is assuming you know how to get good work out of AI in the first place. But even that is turning out to be a skill in and of itself.

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