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College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by jmye »

jason_zig wrote: post #89
gpm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also way more susceptible to cheating in traditional non-AI ways. And your mark ends up depending a lot on how much time you have to invest independent of how good you are at the course material. Assignments and projects are great for learning, but suck for evaluation.

is evaluation that important? ultimately if you can't do the work you're only cheating yourself in the long run...

Yes. I care that the work I've done and what I've learned is actually good and correct. Vibes-based learning/anything is valueless.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by Planktonne »

llbbdd wrote: post #41
Planktonne wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of the educational process isn't the test paper, it's the learning. Gyms aren't redundant because tractors exist.

Gyms are a great example actually because tractors exist to do the economically useful work. You now optionally go to the gym to benefit from fake labor that used to be the side effect of useful work. The fake labor is now what colleges are trying to sell, and it's going to kill them.

Gyms predate tractors.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by somewhereoutth »

I like open note exams (and perhaps open book exams, as you need to know the book well to know which page to look at) - it forces you to condense the material to the salient points and operationalise it to solve what would be more challenging problems than a simple recall exam.

When I see 'cheat sheets' - designed to be hidden on the back of calculators or whatever - then I see true application of human ingenuity and intellect.

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Post by sarchertech »

llbbdd wrote: post #76
hackable_sand wrote: post #57

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> College is about learning how to work in an industry. Oh

Education is a nice side effect sometimes but yeah, I don't know how you could reach any other conclusion. If you're motivated to learn for learning's sake, college is an annoying slog that you know you don't need post-millenium. I literally left college early and started making money instead of spending it, because I got tired of demonstrating to my professors that I already knew everything they were teaching and th…

Or maybe you chose to waste your time because you treated college as a way to get a piece paper instead of as the only time in your life when you are surrounded by experts who will spend an hour a week answering any questions you can think of.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by musicale »

jason_zig wrote: post #89
gpm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also way more susceptible to cheating in traditional non-AI ways. And your mark ends up depending a lot on how much time you have to invest independent of how good you are at the course material. Assignments and projects are great for learning, but suck for evaluation.

is evaluation that important? ultimately if you can't do the work you're only cheating yourself in the long run...

That is the traditional view, the view of those who want to improve their own knowledge and abilities, and presumably the view of those who would like to consider the degree to be a meaningful credential.

However I suspect that there are many who 1) are more concerned about the short term outcome, 2) consider the degree/diploma to be little more than a meal ticket or arbitrary gatekeeping without any connection to learning, 3) view the work as a pointless barrier to being handed said diploma, and/or 4) don't see the value of human learning in a world where jobs are done by AI and AI systems routinely outperform humans on complex tasks.

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Post by II2II »

jason_zig wrote: post #89
gpm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also way more susceptible to cheating in traditional non-AI ways. And your mark ends up depending a lot on how much time you have to invest independent of how good you are at the course material. Assignments and projects are great for learning, but suck for evaluation.

is evaluation that important? ultimately if you can't do the work you're only cheating yourself in the long run...

Part of the purpose for evaluation is to provide feedback. I'm not going to claim that the form of feedback is great, but it does offer motivation to improve.

The other thing that feedback feeds into is credentials. I realize that some people are dismissive of this aspect of the degree, but it is important to pursue further studies or secure a job. While you can argue that these people are only cheating themselves, and some of them are cheating themselves, a great many will continue to cheat as they advance in academia or the workforce. In other words, they are cheating others out of opportunities.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by WillAdams »

A hand-written essay in class would seem to be a workable mechanism for a student to demonstrate an ability to reason on their own about a subject.

One of my best college professors would review such essays in-person, one-on-one twice each semester.

Re: College instructor turns to typewriters to curb AI-written work

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Post by tyrust »

randoments wrote: post #99

Reading all these comments, I feel like US universities are a joke. I had to do all the exams in person. 100% of the grade was decided at the exam. Millions of people graduated this way and they are fine. No students were harmed in the process.

Did you never have to write a research paper?
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