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Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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What's the statute of limitations on such things? Because it won't be prosecuted by 2029 but could be afterwards Personally I think it's a bigger problem when the President sues his own government for billions and then orders them to pay it out Because -that- is not an official act. It could be prosecuted but no-one will touch it even after 2029

Doesn’t matter. They’ll be pre-pardoned.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5829203-presidential...

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

#102
post #66

There’s a recent Patrick Boyle video which puts it aptly: prediction markets are a wealth transfer from retail investors to trading algorithms and people with security clearances. Anyway, one thing I don’t understand yet is how new markets are created. They aren’t user generated, so how did an “Iran strike” market exist to begin with?

https://help.polymarket.com/en/articles/13364541-how-are-mar...

Users absolutely can propose markets

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #100

Say whatever you want about the merits of prediction markets. But I just don't see a way those benefits outweigh the societal dangers of these constant reminders that people in or close to power can freely profit from their positions in the ways the rest of the population can't. There's always talk about the dangers of disincentivizing job creators, but what happens when a society routinely disincentives job havers i…

I think the bigger risk is changing major decisions (like war) based on the profitability of bets. Forget about drone war doctrine, if you're an adversary just place absurdly large bets which incentivize the opposition to do what you want. (i.e. bet so you "lose" the bet when the enemy changes their posture to gain the profit).

Politics is already full of these pay to play incentives but now anyone with enough cash can influence world events.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #100

Say whatever you want about the merits of prediction markets. But I just don't see a way those benefits outweigh the societal dangers of these constant reminders that people in or close to power can freely profit from their positions in the ways the rest of the population can't. There's always talk about the dangers of disincentivizing job creators, but what happens when a society routinely disincentives job havers i…

The oil trade structure actually does make sense, because this is how you buy oil, or really any commodity that takes so much space and weight. You order it ahead of time, then if you hold till the contract settles you are allowed to pick it up from the place and in the way designated in the contract specification. In fact you are obliged to pick it up, that's why prices can go negative in exceptional situations. Prediction markets are then just a clean cash-only derivative.

Most of the other prediction markets seems rather stupid to me (they are completely detached from any real world activity), other than their prices being a fairly reliable source of information for bystanders.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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You'd have to be spectacularly stupid to bet on these kinds of things without having insider knowledge, because you ought to know good and damn well by now that the people with insider knowledge are DEFINITELY betting on them.

This was my thought. If these markets continue allowing insiders, it’ll drive all of the cash from regular people away. So there will be way less money for insiders to win even if they are allowed.

So the perception of insiders is pretty bad for prediction markets as a business imo.

The sooner they knock off the rhetoric about the “theory” behind prediction markets and start thinking about it like a business, the sooner they will take insiders seriously.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can even be a regular employer of a public company and trade based on information sent on internal emails You absolutely cannot.

"cannot" here meaning it's likely to be prosecuted, not that you cannot . You absolutely can.

This interpretation is incredibly unlikely. The first and third paragraphs discuss legality, but the middle one was merely talking about likelihood of prosecution?

Even then it would be inaccurate: the regulators are not too stupid to put two and two together that you work for a company and got incredibly lucky with your trade

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

#109
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

couldn't you somehow in theory track the order book to if and when insiders are betting and then copy the trade?

Not knowing who are the insiders and who is the dumb flow is like the fundamental problem of hft

insiders would presumably be bigger trades that show high conviction about improbable events. An insider would wait until the last minute to take advantage of low prices of a market close to expiration.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

#110

It's deeply American how so many of these articles about Kalshi or Polymarket frame the issue as something that can be solved on the American end with the stroke of a pen, especially in a multipolar world where American sanctions increasingly fail. These markets are global with global demand and many of the insiders are on the receiving end of American foreign policy. If an Iranian with a starlink sees a b-2 spirit f…

> especially in a multipolar world where American sanctions increasingly fail You're claiming the U.S. government is impotent against holding Polymarket to account? > These markets are global The trades in question are bets on Polymarket and Intercontinental Exchange Brent oil futures. These are well within the remit of American law enforcement.

Why would the U.S. government want to sabotage prediction markets when the chief executive has a vested interest in keeping them legitimate?
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