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Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #34

I would be careful about attributing all of this to ordinary insider trading. Another plausible explanation is that some activity could come from state linked or intelligence adjacent actors, where the goal is not only profit but also testing or exploiting prediction markets as an auxiliary information channel.

Occam would disagree.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Without them talking about how much people LOST, this entire article is meaningless. With the advent of 0DTE options which dominate options trading, the fact that the notional number of people who made money makes sense because so many more people have lost money.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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You'd have to be spectacularly stupid to bet on these kinds of things without having insider knowledge, because you ought to know good and damn well by now that the people with insider knowledge are DEFINITELY betting on them.

Even if you are not "betting" similar trades are happening in the stock market as well. Large movements in oil futures shortly before policy changes are announced.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #27

I wonder if this means that in a true free market betting is actually impossible as extra-gaming structures like those spontaneously emerge. You need centralized regulation to make it work.

The standard argument for prediction markets does not include any kind of fairness in gambling. Rather, the point is precisely to surface insider or otherwise well-founded knowledge of the real odds so they can be available to anyone who wishes to look at the price.

(And I do not see how this first-order viewpoint is problematic, precisely. It’s the second-order consequences of people making the currently-considered-unlikely decision in order to cash in on a bet that I have an issue with.)

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Prediction Markets require insider trading to function... how do people not know this? It's a setup from day one. If you have the knowledge, you're going to cash in, if you don't have the knowledge, you are throwing your money away.

I've never seen an ad from either Kalshi or Polymarket that says "don't play if you aren't an insider."

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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Prediction Markets require insider trading to function... how do people not know this? It's a setup from day one. If you have the knowledge, you're going to cash in, if you don't have the knowledge, you are throwing your money away.

Most gamblers prescribe to the cost sunk fallacy and keep 'one more time'ing it to bankruptcy.

Math wins over your feels every time.

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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You'd have to be spectacularly stupid to bet on these kinds of things without having insider knowledge, because you ought to know good and damn well by now that the people with insider knowledge are DEFINITELY betting on them.

considering the scale involved, and the OSINT trend, is it possible that people could monitor and correlate stuff like airplane, or us navy activity to deduce when to enter ?

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

couldn't you somehow in theory track the order book to if and when insiders are betting and then copy the trade?

Not knowing who are the insiders and who is the dumb flow is like the fundamental problem of hft

How is there enough volume to cover the other side of the bet with these minutes-before trades?

Re: Traders placed over $1B in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war

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post #34

I would be careful about attributing all of this to ordinary insider trading. Another plausible explanation is that some activity could come from state linked or intelligence adjacent actors, where the goal is not only profit but also testing or exploiting prediction markets as an auxiliary information channel.

Occam would disagree.

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