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The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by rolph »

asdff wrote: post #445
rolph wrote: post #130

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pellet guns use the "diablo" profile to the pellets. pellet guns have low spin per inch, and use drag to add extra stability. and keep velocity below that trans-sonic shock range. if you went to a reloading shop, and purchased some .177, or .22 projectiles, trimmed them down, or core them to about half wieght, and it will perform like a small rifle.

>pellet guns have low spin per inch, and use drag to add extra stability. and keep velocity below that trans-sonic shock range. They are strong enough to embed the pellets into wooden fence boards already though. I think that is plenty enough velocity to blow out your trachea, enter your brain through your eye socket, and probably also penetrate the soft part of the skull.

definately not a kids toy.

i have couple of pellet rifles that will penetrate [2] gallon milk jugs full of water at 50 yards and leave pellets on the bottom of the third, 6" grouping with quick reload shooting.

dont get me started on souping up the piston, ive already talked about alternative projectiles, but yes it can be made even more powerfull so it will yeet signifigant grain wt.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by rpmisms »

leptons wrote: post #303
rpmisms wrote: post #215

As an unabashed American, guns are amazing and an insanely important part of our national culture. Any attempt to diminish this is an attack on the culture of America. We are a nation of dangerous freedoms and matching individual responsibility. In order to maintain a functional country without ruining what makes America special, we need to simply actually enforce laws and I'll take apart in making our national cultu…

I wouldn't be proud of having so many guns and the highest rate of gun deaths by far in the developed world (except maybe countries currently at war). "Guns are amazing"? Really? Nevermind, I know someone just like you. He refuses to fly on an airplane because he can't bring his precious guns with him on the plane . So he's really never been anywhere outside of the midwest. He has no idea how other countries are. And…

Yawn. We're a remarkably peaceful country. We should kill more of our criminals, though.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by mike50 »

nine_k wrote: post #276
marcus_holmes wrote: post #217

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I have never lived in a country where people are allowed to keep guns. That scares the crap out of me. Not just because of random strangers. I went through a mental health crisis, and there was a dark time where if I had had a gun I would be dead now. No amount of lockers or safe boxes or mental health tests would have saved me from that gun. And wtf do you need a gun for anyway? I have never, not once, been in a sit…

> And wtf do you need a gun for anyway? One of the reasons that Switzerland, a country te size of Bay Area, with 9M current population, has not been overrun by the many wars in Europe for last 200 years is that every citizen is expected to fight back, without formally joining a military force for that. All men have to serve in the military for a couple of months to get the basic training, obtain and master a small ar…

Not the money laundering, the mined bridges the fact that major international banks are based there or being a major supplier of weapons and formerly troops.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

someguynamedq wrote: post #424
favorited wrote: post #99

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> You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. Why would you buy a pipe at Home Depot? A gun barrel is not a firearm, and is not required to be registered or serialized. You can drive to Arizona or Nevada and buy an actual barrel, with rifling, manufactured to meet well-known specifications, without showing an ID.…

> Occam's razor. This isn't a shadowy manufacturing cabal, threatened by 3D printing. Gun control lobbyists are trying to prevent the printing of handgun frames and Glock switches, because they're the easiest parts to print. Probably more accurate to say politicians are trying to take actions which will be seen publicly as fighting against gun crime. It seems like a stretch to say anyone earnestly believes that 3D pr…

yep, it’s all about manufactured consent and optics

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by sheikhnbake »

remarkEon wrote: post #468
sheikhnbake wrote: post #449

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I mention 7.62 specifically because most folks not familiar with 3D printed firearms are unaware that such a thing is even possible. 9mm 3DP guns have hit the news cycle repeatedly, less so for higher power cartridges. IIRC, there's a .50 BMG project well underway.

You call these project[s], which I think is very accurate for the higher power cartridges. You sound like you've seen a lot of the videos of 3D printed firearms, and from what I can tell they cluster around 9mm and 5.56. There's probably multiple reasons for that, one of which is that those round sizes are more widely available and cheaper, while another is that it is going to be easier to do than something with high…

At this point with a 5,000 round endurance for a plastic AK receiver, I think it's fair to say the 'project' has reached maturity. Especially when this is all completed on entry level printers

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by sheikhnbake »

webnrrd2k wrote: post #467
sheikhnbake wrote: post #456

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I stand corrected, the Plastikov V4 has endured 5,000 rounds

It looks like a Plastikov uses a lot of metal Kalashnikov parts that you'd need to get from a kit or machine yourself or something, so I don't think it's really fair to call that gun a 3D printed gun. It uses printed parts, but the barrel, trigger, etc... aren't printed.

That's the entire point. The only federally regulated part that requires a background check is the receiver, which can be made on entry level printers by virtually anyone that can read.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by marcus_holmes »

abeyer wrote: post #478
marcus_holmes wrote: post #465

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Right, but the basic point - that people who have guns are more likely to die by guns is true, right? The sophistry about whose gun killed them is kinda moot. They don't actually track whether the gun-owners died by their own gun or not, as you say. But it's likely, isn't it? We're talking about people who either kill themselves, or kill their family members. It's likely using the gun that's already in the house, rat…

They demonstrate a correlation, but not causation. In fact they point out the reverse is likely true, too, that people more likely to die by gun might want to keep a gun at home. What you call "sophistry" others might consider "not misrepresenting what research says to fit an agenda." There's value in using precise language to communicate what the numbers actually show. And I don't even understand how the fact that a…

Long ago, I had a friend who served in the Falklands war as a demolitions expert. He kept a few souvenirs, and had a few problems. One of the problems was that he couldn't sleep in houses, he could only sleep outdoors. One of the souvenirs was a claymore mine. His parents asked him to housesit for them while they went on holiday, so he wired up the claymore mine to their front door and slept in the garden. This appeared to him to be a perfectly rational response to the situation.

My point is that a claymore mine _can_ be used for home security. The fact that it would destroy the house that it was securing doesn't contradict this.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by jim33442 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #457
jim33442 wrote: post #418

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Luigi Mangione wasn't trying to get caught. Maybe he was worried buying and using a real gun would link him back to the murder.

Let's review the three possibilities here. One, you succeed in never being identified or apprehended. Consequently you, rather than the police, have the gun you used, and you can file off the serial number and throw it into the sea or whatever. They don't know who you are so they never come looking for the gun you no longer have and it's just one of millions that were sold to random people that year. Two, you get cau…

If he's a suspect but not confirmed, they'd know if he purchased a real gun, and a ballistics test would confirm it matches the bullet. Conveniently "losing" it would raise suspicion too. Or if that's not why, there has to be some reason people make ghost guns in general.
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