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The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

DavidPiper wrote: post #706
dalyons wrote: post #631

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They’ll still lose their job to AI, whether they’re paying attention or not.

You don't have any idea what job they have, how good they are at it, what their company does, what industry they work in, whether their income is backed by labour, knowledge work, emotional connection, government relationships, capital investments, ... See above.

Your point is understandable but not knowing makes it worse for purposes of discussion since we have to assume the most likely case rather than an exceptional one.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

leoedin wrote: post #692
dalyons wrote: post #631

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They’ll still lose their job to AI, whether they’re paying attention or not.

I don't get this take. Once a modern corporation starts making money, all the people in it diligently work to expand their influence by starting new projects and hiring as many people as possible. That seems to be human nature. Why will AI tools change that? Nobody is feeling important because they manage 50 AI agents. They feel important because they manage 50 people. What percentage of the jobs in a modern office a…

There is a possibility that the agents become better at managing the company than the people and businesses become as automated as farms did during the industrial revolution.

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Post by wackget »

catcowcostume wrote: post #603
madeofpalk wrote: post #528

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> Unavailable Due to the UK Online Safety Act > Now might be a good time to call your representatives. Well, not that must-read I guess

You say it as if the author made it not available, rather than your own government. If anything, it proves the author's point.

The author did make it unavailable. Nobody forced him to. He's kneecapping his own content and intentionally excluding UK users unnecessarily.

Some random developer blog is absolutely not the target of the Online Safety Act. The OSA applies to "services with a significant number of UK users or where UK users are a target market".

Anyone arguing that point is doing so in bad faith, probably to prove some agenda.

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Post by wackget »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #547
madeofpalk wrote: post #528

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> Unavailable Due to the UK Online Safety Act > Now might be a good time to call your representatives. Well, not that must-read I guess

Yes, in general government censored speech is inherently not important by the fact the government censored it. Like if it were important it wouldn’t have been censored. Obviously.

Except this is self-censorship. The author chose to make it unavailable.

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Post by wackget »

throwanem wrote: post #170
ForHackernews wrote: post #110

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All blocked in the UK, sadly.

He's gay, and being gay online contravenes the UK Online Safety Act. Complain to your legislators.

For anyone who isn't aware, just ignore the above user and their obviously absurdly reductive take.

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Post by yw3410 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #697
munificent wrote: post #472

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My kids are high school age. It's hard to convey the deep existential dread their generation has about the future. * They are growing up in a climate that is worse than any prior generation had and getting worse. * In the US, they are growing up in a time with less upward mobility and more economic inequality than the previous several generations had. * Trust in social institutions and government is crumbling before…

I'm hearing this from my 12 y/o daughter and it's breaking my heart. When I was in school (US, Ohio, 48 y/o) we got the "if you don't go to college you'll flip burgers" spiel from our teachers / guidance counselors. Last week she got a variant of that except the teacher thoughtfully added "and burger flipping will be done by robots so you can't even fall back to that". The teacher threw in a healthy dose of suggestin…

I really don't see why you think trades are insulated; as someone who dabbles in plumbing, plastering and electrical wiring.

A significant amount of demand for both is due to knowledge barriers - and the fact that you need to certify work.

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Post by throwanem »

wackget wrote: post #745
throwanem wrote: post #170

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He's gay, and being gay online contravenes the UK Online Safety Act. Complain to your legislators.

For anyone who isn't aware, just ignore the above user and their obviously absurdly reductive take.

I realize you don't have access to it, but all I'm actually doing is summarizing Mr. Kingsbury's own explanation for the geoblock your incompetent legislators made necessary. As his fellow American citizen, I have to say I found his argument compelling. Your opinion of it moves me rather less.

If you choose to regard that as "self-censorship," then frankly I can see even more clearly what drove him to the decision than I could before. I'll have to bookmark his instructions for how to configure such a block in nginx, in case I decide to publish anything online again in future.

In any case I don't really see where you're likely to have anything useful further to say to me, and I would like you please to stop trying. I don't come to this website just to be harassed by the ignorant, after all.

(Before you risk real legal trouble, you should know that I am myself homosexual and thus, as I understand it, actually protected, at least against some forms of maltreatment by UK subjects, under some of your rather bloodthirsty laws against defamation, harassment, et cetera. You should be careful what you say, perhaps. It would be a shame to see you arrested or ASBO'd or something of that unpleasant sort, merely over an earnest - if overenthusiastic and ill-considered - effort to speak your honest mind.)

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Post by intended »

munksbeer wrote: post #468
the_af wrote: post #262

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There are more options: Mass unemployment, consolidation of all AI-related benefits in the hands of a few, an increase in demand that doesn't outpaced the loss of employment, increase in capabilities (not AGI) that mean a few chosen people can do most things without hiring other people, etc.

If there is mass unemployment, who is going to buy anything from anyone? The "few" don't need or want us to be scraping in the dirt. They want us spending lots of money on their products, so their wealth increases. I know it is the classic sci-fi dystopia where somehow despite endless advances in tech and automation, the masses can't figure out how to make it work for themselves and end up living in shanty towns on t…

Eh, nope.

We’ve had economies where the majority of rich people existed in a different economy, and everyone else lived in a different economy. Class mobility was poor.

Take the current K shaped economy, where a majority of retail spending is from rich people, and not the majority.

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Post by grttwww »

dripdry45 wrote: post #527
DavidPiper wrote: post #512

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I'm seeing a lot of comments like this lately: "Oh well, we were in an anomalous time of social growth, time to go backwards! We won't even need to read or write or think! It's all just too bad, but that's just the way the world works, like it did in 1800." [or pick your date before any current person was alive] Lots of people have started considering a time of significant "progress" as "an anomaly", as if the world…

I have a good friend who doesn’t pay attention to any of this stuff. Nothing gets them down for long, they do pretty well with work, and just enjoy living life simply. They have amassed a reasonable amount of wealth, are moving up at their job, and just don’t pay any attention to all this stuff we here on the Internet talk about all the time. There is no AI black pill because they aren’t caught up in all the headline…

I believe many here are having an identity crisis and some feel so doomed, they want to others down with them.

I feel bad for them, I really do. The posts I see here are madness and so disconnected from reality it’s actually disturbing.

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Post by grttwww »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #742
leoedin wrote: post #692

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I don't get this take. Once a modern corporation starts making money, all the people in it diligently work to expand their influence by starting new projects and hiring as many people as possible. That seems to be human nature. Why will AI tools change that? Nobody is feeling important because they manage 50 AI agents. They feel important because they manage 50 people. What percentage of the jobs in a modern office a…

There is a possibility that the agents become better at managing the company than the people and businesses become as automated as farms did during the industrial revolution.

Yeah and you’re doing a lot of heavy lifting with the term agents.

Billions have been poured into agents and there’s no sign that they will get to a place where they on the path toward generating returns to justify more good money being invested into chasing bad.

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