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Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#931

I can't notice any difference to 4.6 from 3 weeks ago, except that this model burns way more tokens, and produces much longer plans. To me it seem like this model is just the same as 4.6 but with a bigger token budget on all effort levels. I guess this is one way how Anthropic plans to make their business profitable. During the past weeks of lobotomized opus, I tried a few different open weight models side by side wi…

Which open weights models did you use for this comparison, and how are you running them?

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#932

> We are releasing Opus 4.7 with safeguards that automatically detect and block requests that indicate prohibited or high-risk cybersecurity uses. Fucking hell. Opus was my go-to for reverse engineering and cybersecurity uses, because, unlike OpenAI's ChatGPT, Anthropic's Opus didn't care about being asked to RE things or poke at vulns. It would, however, shit a brick and block requests every time something remotely…

To be fair, delineating between benevolent and malevolent pen-testing and cybersecurity purposes is practically impossible since the only difference is the user's intentions. I am entirely unsurprised (and would expect) that as models improve the amount to which widely available models will be prohibited from cybersecurity purposes will only increase. Not to say I see this as the right approach, in theory the two for…

> since the only difference is the user's intentions

Have these been banned yet: dual-use kitchen items, actual weapons of war for consumer use, dual-use garden chemicals, dual-use household chemicals etc. etc? Has human cybersecurity research stopped? Have malware authors stopped research?

No? then this sounds more like hype than real reasons.

There's also the possibility that there's a singular anthropic individual who's gained a substantial amount of internal power and is driving user-hostile changes in the product under the guise of cybersecurity.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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post #455

noticing sharp uptick in "i switched to codex" replies lately. a "codex for everything" post flocking the front page on the day of the opus 4.7 release me and coworker just gave codex a 3 day pilot and it was not even close to the accuracy and ability to complete & problem solve through what we've been using claude for. are we being spammed? great. annoying. i clicked into this to read the differences and initial exp…

No, I assure you you are not being spammed because legitimately many people prefer codex over claude right now. I am one of those people. And if you go on tech social media spaces you'll see many prominent well known devs in open source say the same. And of course others praise claude as well. At my job we have enterprise access to both and I used claude for months before I got access to codex. Around the time gpt-5.…

Could you share what projects you are working on? (tech stack and size)

I am mostly working on small to medium sized Next.js and Kotlin projects and Claude works really well, while Codex often misunderstood my instructions, while I was testing it.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#934
Last time I still used Opus 4.5 because i dont trust Anthropic anymore. Also not using Claude anymore at this point, the token price is just not worth it.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#935

I like how HN has shifted from hating everything about AI, refusing to use it because HNers are 'too smart'/'too good', to now using it for everything and having strong opinions about it. It was inevitable, I suppose.

It's probably not fun to go from self-proclaimed intellectual to advanced calculator.

AI makes you a designer

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#936
So strange, i've been using Opus 4.7 in Claude code all day today and i've had no malware related comments or issues at all. It's been performing noticably better, and picking up on things it wasn't before. Maybe because i'm using xhigh effort, but i'm super happy with this update!

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#937
post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still trying to get a decent pelican out of this one but the new thinking stuff is tripping me up Wouldn't that be p-hacking where p stands for pelican?

Input: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive? Output: Walk. It'll take you under a minute, and driving 50 meters barely gets the engine warm — plus you'd just have to park again at the other end. Honestly, by the time you started the car, you'd already be there on foot. --- I asked it to figure out why it made the mistake: "Physical/spatial common sense. Exactly what just happe…

This "figuring out" is just going to come from stuff it was trained on - people discussing why LLMs fail at certain things, and those people (training samples) not always being correct about it!

The "How many R's in "strawberry, counting words in a sentence, reversing strings. I process text as tokens, not characters, so these are surprisingly error-prone" explanation sounds plausible, but I don't think it it correct.

Any model I've ever tried that failed on things like "R's in strawberry" was quite capable of reliably returning the letter sequence of the word, so the mapping of tokens back to letters is not the issue, as should also be obvious by ability of models to do things like mapping between ASCII and Base64 (6 bits/char => 2 letters encode 3 chars). This is just sequence to sequence prediction, which is something LLMs excel at - their core competency!

I think the actual reason for failures at these types of counting and reversing tasks is twofold:

1) These algorithmic type tasks require a step-by-step decomposition and variable amount of compute, so are not amenable to direct response from an LLM (fixed ~100 layers of compute). Asking it to plan and complete the task in step-by-step fashion (where for example it can now take advantage of it's ability to generate the letter sequence before reversing it, or counting it) is going to be much more successful. A thinking model may do this automatically without needing to be told do it.

2) These types of task, requiring accurate reference and sequencing through positions in its context, are just not natural tasks for an LLM, and it is probably not doing them (without specific prompting) in the way you imagine. Say you are asking it to reverse the letter sequence of a 10 letter word, and it has somehow managed to generate letter # 10, the last letter of the word, and now needs to copy letter #9 to the output. It will presumably have learnt that 10-1 is 9, but how to use that to access the appropriate position in context (or worse yet if you didn't ask it to go step by step and first generate the letter sequence, so the sequence doesn't even exist in context!)? The letter sequence may have quotes and/or commas or spaces in it, and altogether starts at a given offset in the context, so it's far more difficult than just copying token at context position #9 ! It's probably not even actually using context positions to do this, at least not in this way. You can make tasks like this much easier for the model by telling it exactly how to perform it, generating step-by-step intermediate outputs to track it's progress etc.

BTW, note that the model itself has no knowledge of, or insight into, the tokenization scheme that is being used with it, other than what is available on the web, or that it might have been trained to know. In fact, if you ask a strong model how it could even in theory figure out (by experimentation) it's own tokenization scheme, it will realize this is next to impossible. The best hope might be some sort of statistical analysis of it's own output, hoping to take advantage of the fact that it is generating sub-word token probabilities, not word probabilities. Sonet 4.6's conclusion was "Without logprob access, the model almost certainly cannot recover its exact tokenization scheme through introspection or behavioral self-probing alone".

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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post #405

I think my results have actually become worse with Opus 4.7. I have a pretty robust setup in place to ensure that Claude, with its degradations, ensures good quality. And even the lobotomized 4.6 from the last few days was doing better than 4.7 is doing right now at xhigh. It's over-engineering. It is producing more code than it needs to. It is trying to be more defensible, but its definition of defensible seems to b…

Maybe this? From the article: > Opus 4.7 is substantially better at following instructions. Interestingly, this means that prompts written for earlier models can sometimes now produce unexpected results: where previous models interpreted instructions loosely or skipped parts entirely, Opus 4.7 takes the instructions literally. Users should re-tune their prompts and harnesses accordingly.

Not sure it is better at following instructions. One of the first issues I had with it was doing the thing it was specifically forbidden from doing. When told: "oh sorry, I had a note that I should not do it in my MEMORY but I did it anyway".

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#939

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its especially concerning / frustrating because boris’s reply to my bug report on opus being dumber was “we think adaptive thinking isnt working” and then thats the last I heard of it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47668520 Now disabling adaptive thinking plus increasing effort seem to be what has gotten me back to baseline performance but “our internal evals look good“ is not good enough right now for what ma…

It doesn’t really come as a surprise to me that these companies are struggling to reliably fix issues with software which relies on a central component which is nondeterministic. But they made their own bed with that one.

Bringing up computational determinism in the early days of AI was absolutely career-limiting. But now, even if the model itself is deterministic for batch size 1, load balancing for MOE routing can make things non-deterministic any larger batch size. Good luck with that guys!

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

#940

This comment thread is a good learner for founders; look at how much anguish can be put to bed with just a little honest communication. 1. Oops, we're oversubscribed. 2. Oops, adaptive reasoning landed poorly / we have to do it for capacity reasons. 3. Here's how subscriptions work. Am I really writing this bullet point? As someone with a production application pinned on Opus 4.5, it is extremely difficult to tell ap…

I am a neophyte regarding pros and cons of each model. I am learning the ropes, writing shell scripts, a tiny Mac app, things like that. Reading about all the “rage switching”, isn’t it prudent to use a model broker like GH Copilot with your own harness or something like oh-my-pi? The frontier guys one up each other monthly, it’s really tiring. I get that large corps may have contracts in place, but for an in indie?

Unfortunately, the subscription pricing is so much cheaper than usage pricing that it's probably worth using one of the official harnesses.
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