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The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by NoGravitas »

intended wrote: post #666
pjc50 wrote: post #496

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> Physical robustness. Strength, perhaps brutality. Competence in physical tasks. Honesty. Parentage. Birth order (see primogeniture.) Those matter in per-technological societies, and they matter in failed societies now. Those are perhaps humanity's core values. This is really bleak to me. We can do better than primogeniture, and of course the gender discrimination that goes along with it. You might as well write tha…

> I hope. For solving all things complex, there must be a plan.

You might ask, What Is To Be Done?

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Post by wouterjanl »

Animats wrote: post #445

"I could retrain, but my core skills—reading, thinking, and writing—are squarely in the blast radius of large language models." Yes. For the lifetime of almost everyone alive now, reading, thinking, and writing have been valued skills which moved one up in society's hierarchy. This is a historical anomaly. Prior to 1800 or so, those skills were not all that useful to the average farmer. There were more smart people t…

Interesting take. If AI indeed takes over the thinking, could the next scarce resource be, humanity? I’d argue that strength is already taken over by the machines, at least in societies where thinking is already the dominant competence. What can we not get from AI? Friendship, empathy, connection, affection, mutual understanding? Like being real. Being present. Maybe time has come to invest in getting really good at all of that

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Post by djaro »

jexe wrote: post #394

I'm concerned that there's no real way to "opt out" of an AI future realistically. Is this something that people are seriously thinking they'll be able to do and successfully stay gainfully employed and contributing to the world?

Over hundreds of hours of actively using AI for basically every area of my life, it has just never actually achieved anything besides giving me the feeling of productivity.

Ideas are mediocre. Plans are arbitrary. Research is untrustworthy. But telling it "generate me 100 ideas for X" feels really productive.

I think a version of me with no access AI will not just stay competitive, but even outcompete the version of me with unlimited access to AI.

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Post by ghaff »

esalman wrote: post #691
ghaff wrote: post #622

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>servants and house personnel Which you mostly don't need today. You may have a lawn guy, take your car to a mechanic, and use a washer/dryer to do most of your laundry.

You actually need some help once you have kid(s).

Some people do have live-in nannies and au pairs for kids of a certain age but I'm guessing it's not very common, at least below a certain income bracket. People do use childcare and lean on relatives (or one parent just doesn't have a full-time job outside the house) of course.

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Post by guzfip »

alterom wrote: post #695
suburban_strike wrote: post #668

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>You must never have lived through governmental collapse. I have (1990s Ukraine emerging from the ruins of the USSR). >The children and the women will be selling ass for basic necessities, raped by both neighbors and invaders, and killed for no reason at all. Not Or. And. Yeah, on that... Nope. Dunno where you fantasized that from. Prostitution for basic necessities existed, as it does in the US today (and everywhere…

Nature values intelligence and strength. Some, like OP may have the latter but lacks the former. I call that a tool.

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Post by keybored »

Animats wrote: post #445

"I could retrain, but my core skills—reading, thinking, and writing—are squarely in the blast radius of large language models." Yes. For the lifetime of almost everyone alive now, reading, thinking, and writing have been valued skills which moved one up in society's hierarchy. This is a historical anomaly. Prior to 1800 or so, those skills were not all that useful to the average farmer. There were more smart people t…

The top comment is often something that just sweeps across centuries where technology has its own supreme teleology. With supreme confidence.

AI is not a problem because it is AI. It is because of political circumstances.

Think beyond the small worldview where technology and valuation are everything and you are just a pawn. Then you see that a better world is possible. The first step is then to not give up.

The premise here is that AI works well enough to automate the “smart” people jobs. No one but delusional workaholics are afraid that their job will get automated because they cling to the job in itself. So clearly, this is not about the tech itself.

There wasn’t a college boom post-WWII because technology came and demanded it.

> That may be where we go once AI does the thinking. That's where we go when smarts are not a scarce resource.

Take me by the hand, circumstance. I am yours to be swept away.

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Post by hdndjsbbs »

Animats wrote: post #445

"I could retrain, but my core skills—reading, thinking, and writing—are squarely in the blast radius of large language models." Yes. For the lifetime of almost everyone alive now, reading, thinking, and writing have been valued skills which moved one up in society's hierarchy. This is a historical anomaly. Prior to 1800 or so, those skills were not all that useful to the average farmer. There were more smart people t…

> So what was valued? Physical robustness. Strength, perhaps brutality. Competence in physical tasks. Honesty. Parentage. Birth order (see primogeniture.) Those matter in per-technological societies, and they matter in failed societies now. Those are perhaps humanity's core values.

This is some weird manosphere bullshit. Pre-industrial societies invented philosophy and writing. People across the world know the name of Socrates from 2500 years ago. They know stories from Homer 2800 years ago.

It's a mistake (a) to think pre-industrial people were grug-brained cavemen (b) that we're going to revert into the same cavemen because a computer can do your pointless six-figure office job.

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Post by bamboozled »

Animats wrote: post #445

"I could retrain, but my core skills—reading, thinking, and writing—are squarely in the blast radius of large language models." Yes. For the lifetime of almost everyone alive now, reading, thinking, and writing have been valued skills which moved one up in society's hierarchy. This is a historical anomaly. Prior to 1800 or so, those skills were not all that useful to the average farmer. There were more smart people t…

If you've done almost anything with LLMs you would know that you need to be intelligent to get good results when using them. This means, you need to be good at articulating your ideas, clearly in English. So it's more like an exoskeleton than replacement, at least for now.

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Post by duskdozer »

Saline9515 wrote: post #676
hackable_sand wrote: post #653

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You can change sex And people can be born intersex Your data is wrong

The fact that some people can be born with 6 fingers doesn't mean that saying "a human hand has 5 fingers" is generally false.

It also means you can't use the generalization "a human hand has 5 fingers" to then say that "therefore because your hands have 6 fingers, you are not a human"
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