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Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

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Post by TeMPOraL »

pdonis wrote: post #77
__david__ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to continue the tortured analogy, the stranger was invited into the home, they didn't break in. Then they presented a release form to the homeowner saying they could impersonate him on TV, which the homeowner signed . Only then did they go on TV and "impersonate" him, saying things he didn't expect. I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as you are making it out. It's definitely shady, but I dare say there's nothing…

I don't see where he gave permission for the app to post Tweets for him. He gave it access to his Twitter account, but that's not the same thing. To continue your analogy, the stranger was invited into his home, gave him a form to sign that said he could inventory the items there, got it signed, and then proceeded to publish the information in a way that wasn't mentioned on the form.

But isn't it written, when you give access to Twitter account, that it could be used to post things for you?

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#92

Post by __david__ »

pdonis wrote: post #77
__david__ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to continue the tortured analogy, the stranger was invited into the home, they didn't break in. Then they presented a release form to the homeowner saying they could impersonate him on TV, which the homeowner signed . Only then did they go on TV and "impersonate" him, saying things he didn't expect. I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as you are making it out. It's definitely shady, but I dare say there's nothing…

I don't see where he gave permission for the app to post Tweets for him. He gave it access to his Twitter account, but that's not the same thing. To continue your analogy, the stranger was invited into his home, gave him a form to sign that said he could inventory the items there, got it signed, and then proceeded to publish the information in a way that wasn't mentioned on the form.

> I don't see where he gave permission for the app to post Tweets for him. He gave it access to his Twitter account, but that's not the same thing.

It is exactly the same thing. If you give something access to your twitter account, you are giving it the ability to post, and therefore, tacit permission to post.

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#93

Post by thirdtruck »

codyromano wrote: post #58
cs702 wrote: post #24

It would be obviously wrong and illegal for a stranger to come into your home, secretly inventory all physical items in your possession, and then impersonate you on, say, a global TV broadcast in which you're wrongly accused of stealing things. It should also be obviously wrong and illegal for any app secretly to inventory everything in your phone and then impersonate you on a Twitter broadcast in which you're wrongl…

Your analogy should be narrowed according to the facts of this case. Assuming that the author's guesses about the app's behavior are correct, this is a case of software checking for one specific tool — a tool that's strongly associated with piracy. A defendant in the physical world wouldn't necessarily have a reasonable expectation of privacy if there were indications that he or she was engaging in unlawful conduct.…

It's one thing to have other people learn that you own a crowbar. It's another thing to have someone else declare, using your name, that you've used that crowbar for breaking into houses.

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#94

Post by utopkara »

__david__ wrote: post #92
pdonis wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see where he gave permission for the app to post Tweets for him. He gave it access to his Twitter account, but that's not the same thing. To continue your analogy, the stranger was invited into his home, gave him a form to sign that said he could inventory the items there, got it signed, and then proceeded to publish the information in a way that wasn't mentioned on the form.

> I don't see where he gave permission for the app to post Tweets for him. He gave it access to his Twitter account, but that's not the same thing. It is exactly the same thing. If you give something access to your twitter account, you are giving it the ability to post, and therefore, tacit permission to post.

You need to see what the permission means within the behavior of similar permissions, and that is written in application guidelines for iOS devices. Here's one way that this app violates the guidelines, hence does something unexpected with the permission:

"17. Privacy

17.1 Apps cannot transmit data about a user without obtaining the user's prior permission and providing the user with access to information about how and where the data will be used"

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#95

Post by olefoo »

__david__ wrote: post #73
cs702 wrote: post #24

It would be obviously wrong and illegal for a stranger to come into your home, secretly inventory all physical items in your possession, and then impersonate you on, say, a global TV broadcast in which you're wrongly accused of stealing things. It should also be obviously wrong and illegal for any app secretly to inventory everything in your phone and then impersonate you on a Twitter broadcast in which you're wrongl…

Well, to continue the tortured analogy, the stranger was invited into the home, they didn't break in. Then they presented a release form to the homeowner saying they could impersonate him on TV, which the homeowner signed . Only then did they go on TV and "impersonate" him, saying things he didn't expect. I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as you are making it out. It's definitely shady, but I dare say there's nothing…

So the current social expectation of most twitter users (app developers take note) is that an app should not post content without informing the user that they are going to do so; or without affirmative action from the user indicating that they want the app to take that action. I've seen people get outraged by apps that post without warning often enough to think that doing so breaks a fundamental bond of trust.

So the granting of permission is conditional on that permission being used responsibly, and if the app fails to work without that permission and then breaks trust with its users in that dramatic of a fashion...

I know that I won't purchase or use any Enfour inc. product in the future on the basis of this; there's plenty of easier dictionary apps that won't falsely accuse me of piracy.

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

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Post by MrJagil »

ajross wrote: post #83
MrJagil wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a repulsive link. Those images are really distasteful.... Not the pregnancy part but the staging of it. As if your entire being revolves around your stomach, and therefor so should everyone elses. Sorry, I'm sensitive to this kind of thing. As if her life suddenly has meaning, so now she has to compensate for all the lost time. Congratulations, though.

What a repulsive reaction. This is how babies are made (albeit not with the "stomach", sigh...). Your mother looked like that too, and might very well have a few shots like this in a flip book somewhere waiting to horrify you. And what's wrong with "staging" a photo? Pregnancy is a pretty big deal, some people feel it's worth celebrating. I don't see anything wrong there at all. Good job. I came to this thread ready…

Oy, I should have known better :) I know how pregnancy works, and I'm not repulsed by that in and of itself at all. My younger brother was born at home so I have experienced it quite closely. Further, I hope to have several children myself one day, being present at their birth and all that follows. The biggest fear in my life, and i mean that with every cell in my body, is that this wont be realized for one reason or another.

I'm sorry if I offended you guys, especially the poster (I see why you picked the link, and it's totally fine with me). I know how this seems like another excellent example of "HN going downhill with rudeness".

To clarify my post: The article seems entirely lacking of substance with fluffy self-helpy answers, with no point but for her to needlessly glorify her pregnancy. Further, it fits with a recent fad, by "helping" you making that old-school-biological-baggage of yours fit with your fast paced modern lifestyle, a subject I really do not appreciate as the articles regarding it are, as the piece in question examplifies, usually just fluff for pageviews. "How to cook excellently in 3 min", "How to raise a family and be a CEO" etc...

Another issue was with the aesthetics: http://www.being-a-broad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/6_61... It seems absolutely awkward, especially if it was made for humorous purposes as that is, to me, unclear.

My point regarding self esteem, stems from the third photo. There is no reason for you as pregnant woman to wear a bellyshirt, unless you're desperately attempting to call attention to yourself. I feel it does it overly so, which I trace to some insecurity in other areas of life. When I see stereotypical behaviour like that, i have a need to call it out. Perhaps to feel superior and establish my dominance or whatever....

(Of course she could be wearing it because the photografer asked for it. For the staging part. To me, it looks unnatural and stupid if that is the case, leading back to the aesthetics part)

I thought of deleting my post, as I did not want to make anyones day worse but this is indirectly a discussion about me, and, as such, an opportunity for me to learn more about myself, how i should improve. Social life hacking if you will. Please flag the post, if you feel it is the right thing to do, though.

Sorry everyone, at least I sparked some discussion, making up for the poor form through this post i hope.

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#97

Post by cobralibre »

trotsky wrote: post #18

im confused about paying $50 for a dictionary app

The short, glib answer is that if you have to ask why you would want to pay for a dictionary, then you aren't the kind of person who needs to pay for a dictionary.

The long answer is that good dictionaries, such as American Heritage Dictionary, the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, and the OED itself, are produced by scholars and experts, guided by editorial panels comprised of scholars and experts, require a great deal of work to produce (the first edition of the OED took something like 71 years to complete!), and contain more data (i.e., more words and more definitions per word) and generally higher quality data than free dictionaries. You're probably willing to pay $50 for software that solves your problems, because you probably make software yourself, and you know that it costs money to create software; an analogy can be made here. But if a barebones dictionary works for you, then it works for you, and don't worry about it.

So what is a good dictionary? Here's a tentative answer. A good dictionary provides pithy, useful definitions that reflect the words' differing meanings over time and differing contexts. Most good dictionaries also provide style and usage guidelines (e.g., "When should I use 'lie' and when should I use 'lay'?"), and a good dictionary will also provide a word's etymology. Many free dictionary apps use data from WordNet, which is an amazing resource, but its focus is on tagging words with taxonomic properties (sorry, a better phrase isn't coming to me right now) and defining the relationships between those words, all of which is very useful for general linguistics and NLP research. The quality of the definitions fall short, and you should be able to confirm this by comparing just about any WordNet definition to a definition from a good dictionary at your library.

I was hoping to find a better example, but to give yourself an idea of the research problems that can be solved with a good dictionary, consider reading this brief student's guide to using the OED:

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~wcd/oedguide.htm

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#98

Post by MrJagil »

crntaylor wrote: post #80
MrJagil wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a repulsive link. Those images are really distasteful.... Not the pregnancy part but the staging of it. As if your entire being revolves around your stomach, and therefor so should everyone elses. Sorry, I'm sensitive to this kind of thing. As if her life suddenly has meaning, so now she has to compensate for all the lost time. Congratulations, though.

You're aware that pregnancy doesn't normally involve the stomach, right?

Yup, as the deleted poster explained, I just used stomach to describe the general area. Belly would perhaps have been more precise. I try my best but I am a foreigner, and that has its price (I suck at commas as well).

Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#99

Post by [deleted] »

idunno246 wrote: post #79
hackmiester wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds good, as long as you don't go on the internet and talk shit about the user if it is detected. Popping a message like this would be good: "Sorry, this section of the app is incompatible with IAPCracker. Please contact support if you have received this message in error."

The users will still post on your forum and claim they don't know what iapcracker is. and argue incessantly despite having crash reports that logged it in memory

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Re: Dictionary app auto-posts piracy accusations on users’ Twitter accounts

#100

Post by nfg »

MrJagil wrote: post #96
ajross wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a repulsive reaction. This is how babies are made (albeit not with the "stomach", sigh...). Your mother looked like that too, and might very well have a few shots like this in a flip book somewhere waiting to horrify you. And what's wrong with "staging" a photo? Pregnancy is a pretty big deal, some people feel it's worth celebrating. I don't see anything wrong there at all. Good job. I came to this thread ready…

Oy, I should have known better :) I know how pregnancy works, and I'm not repulsed by that in and of itself at all. My younger brother was born at home so I have experienced it quite closely. Further, I hope to have several children myself one day, being present at their birth and all that follows. The biggest fear in my life, and i mean that with every cell in my body, is that this wont be realized for one reason or…

> There is no reason for you as pregnant woman to wear a bellyshirt, unless you're desperately attempting to call attention to yourself.

How can you possibly post this sort of nonsense and expect to be taken seriously?

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