It seems very possible that we have at least five years of real limitations on compute coming up. Maybe ten, depending on ASML. I wonder what an overshoot looks like. I also wonder if there might be room for new entrants in a compute-scarce environment. For instance, at some point, could Coreweave field a frontier team as it holds back 10% of its allocations over time? Pretty unusual situation.
The beginning of scarcity in AI
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Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#42The US is bound by energy and China is bound by compute power. The one who solves its limitation first will end this “Scarcity Era”.
The dynamics vastly favor China, part of the reason the US sprinting towards "ASI" isn't totally boneheaded is that the US and its industry needs a hail mary play to "win" the game, if they play it safe they lose for sure.
Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#43To bang on the same damn drum: Open Weight models are 6 months to a year behind SOTA. If you were building a company a year ago based on what AI could do then, you can build a company today with models that run locally on a user's computer. Yes that may mean requiring your customers to buy Macbooks or desktops with Nvidia GPUs, but if your product actually improves productivity by any reasonable amount, that purchase…
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#44This notion that "we don't have enough compute" does not cleanly reconcile with the fact that labs are burning cash faster than any cohort of companies in history. If I am a grocery store that pays $1 for oranges and sells them for $0.50, I can't say, "I don't have enough oranges."
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#45Whoever running and selling their own models with inference is invested into the last dime available in the market.
Those valuations are already ridiculously high be it Anthropic or OpenAI to the tune of couple of trillion dollars easily if combind.
All that investment is seeking return. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Developers and software companies are the only serious users because they (mostly) review output of these models out of both culture and necessity.
Anywhere else? Other fields? There these models aren't any useful or as useful while revenue from software companies by no means going to bring returns to the trillion dollar valuations. Correct me if I'm wrong.
To make the matter worst, there's a hole in the bucket in form of open weight models. When squeezed further, software companies would either deploy open weight models or would resort to writing code by hand because that's a very skilled and hardworking tribe they've been doing this all their lives, whole careers are built on that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Eventually - ROI might not be what VCs expect and constant losses might lead to bankruptcies and all that build out of data centers all of sudden would be looking for someone to rent that compute capacity result of which would be dime a dozen open weight model providers with generous usage tiers to capitalize on that available compute capacity owners of which have gone bankrupt and can't use it any more wanting to liquidate it as much as possible to recoup as much investment as possible.
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Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#46The US is bound by energy and China is bound by compute power. The one who solves its limitation first will end this “Scarcity Era”.
Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#47Constraints can lead to innovation. Just two things that I think will get dramatically better now that companies have incentive to focus on them: * harness design * small models (both local and not) I think there is tremendous low hanging fruit in both areas still.
What do you mean by harness here?
Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#48The US is bound by energy and China is bound by compute power. The one who solves its limitation first will end this “Scarcity Era”.
China is installing something like 500 GW of wind and solar per year now. Even if they're only able to build and otherwise access chips that have half the SoTA performance per watt, they will win.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The dynamics vastly favor China, part of the reason the US sprinting towards "ASI" isn't totally boneheaded is that the US and its industry needs a hail mary play to "win" the game, if they play it safe they lose for sure.
I'd be fine with a world without AI, honestly. Nobody really wins this race except the very wealthy. And I don't think it's really going to play out the way the wealthy think it will. It's more like a dog catching a car than it is a race.
What does this mean? I didn't understand the analogy.
Re: The beginning of scarcity in AI
#50What limits LLM inference accelerators? I heard about Groq ( https://groq.com/ ) not sure how much it pushes away the problem.
ASML only makes a certain number of machines a year that can do extreme ultra-violet lithography. Also - turbine blades limit power, according to Elon. Between them - we cannot chip fabs past a certain rate, and we cannot stand up the datacenter to run these desired chips past a certain rate. Different people believe one or the other is the 'true' current bottleneck. The turbine supply chain scaling looks much more t…