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Re: Codex for almost everything

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frank_nitti wrote: post #253
someotherperson wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competition is bad? Who cares - let the big players subsidize and compete between each other. That's what we want. We want strong models at a low price, and we'll hype up whoever is doing it. Simultaneously, we also hype up the open models that are catching up. That are significantly more discounted, that also put pressure on the big players and keep them in check. People aren't falling for PR; people are encouraging…

Interesting to see your observation where I have observed the opposite: posts that share big news about open-weight local models have many upvoted comments arguing local models shouldn’t be taken seriously and promoting the SOTA commercial models as the only viable options for serious developers. Here and on AI tech subreddits (ones that aren’t specifically about local or FOSS) seem to have this dynamic, to the degre…

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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by woah »

daviding wrote: post #10

There seems a fair enthusiasm in the UI of these to hide code from coders. Like the prompt interaction is the true source and the actual code is some sort of annoying intermediate runtime inconvenience to cover up. I get that productivity can be improved with a lot of this for non developers, just not sure using 'code' as the term is the right one or not.

Check it out: you can open the repo in vim and compare changes with git, for the coderiest coding experience

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by krackers »

jjk7 wrote: post #259
krackers wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>background computer use How does that even work technically? macOS doesn't support multiple cursors. On native Cocoa apps you can pass input to a window without raising via command+click so possibly they synthesized those events, but fewer and fewer apps support that these days. And AppleScript is basically dead, so they can't be using that either. I also read they acquired the Sky team (who I think were former Appl…

Probably accessibility APIs

Which specific ones though allow you to send input to a window without raising it? People have been trying to do "focus follows mouse [without auto raise]" for a long time on mac, and the synthetic event equivalent to command+click is the only discovered method I'm aware of, e.g. used in https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise

There is also this old blog post by Yegge [1] which mentions `AXUIElementPostKeyboardEvent` but there were plenty of bugs with that, and I haven't seen anyone else build on it. I guess the modern equivalent is `CGEventPostToPSN`/`CGEventPostToPid`. I guess it's a good candidate though, perhaps the Sky team they acquired knows the right private APIs to use to get this working.

Edit: The thread at [2] also has some interesting tidbits, such as Automator.app having "Watch Me Do" which can also do this, and a CLI tool that claims to use the CGEventPostToPid API [3]. Maybe there's more ways to do it than I realized.

[1] https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/settling-osx-focus-... [2] https://www.macscripter.net/t/keystroke-to-background-app-as... [3] https://github.com/socsieng/sendkeys

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by pizzly »

luddit3 wrote: post #230
solenoid0937 wrote: post #218

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

So Anthropic degraded their product. OAI updated their product to meet for exceeded Anthropic old product. This is normal behavior and not a cause for such a hyperbolic response.

This is the benefits of competition in action

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by nonameiguess »

MrsPeaches wrote: post #126
cjbarber wrote: post #14

My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. i.e. agents for knowledge workers who are not software engineers A few thoughts and questions: 1. I expect that this set of products will be extremely disruptive to many software businesses. It's like when a new VP joins a co…

This is me! I’m semi-normie (MechEng with a bit of Matlab now working as a ceo). I spend most of my day in Claude code but outputs are word docs, presentations, excel sheets, research etc. I recently got it to plan a social media campaign and produce a ppt with key messaging and content calendar for the next year, then draft posts in Figma for the first 5 weeks of the campaign and then used a social media aggregator…

How does this obviate the need for software? In order for what you asked to be possible, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Figma all still need to exist and you need licenses for them.

If you can figure out the next step and say "Claude, go find me buyers and sell shit for me without using any pre-existing software," have at it. It can't be social media, I guess, since social media is software and Claude is supposed to get rid of software.

At a certain point, why do we even need computers? Can't we just call Claude's hotline and ask "Claude, please find a way to dump $40 million in cash into my living room. Don't put it in my bank account because banks use software."

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by toraway »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #252
BrokenCogs wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a systematic marketing campaign from oai on reddit and HN - there's a huge uptick of "codex is better than claude code" comments and posts this last week which is perfectly timed with the claude code increased limits

Go to /r/codex and see how pissed off people are by the new Codex Plus plan 5-hour limits (they're a sliver of what they were a week ago). Whatever OpenAI is doing to market on Reddit isn't working.

I'm not sure what changed or what the complaint is ... But personally, I have still never hit the rate limit on the $20/mo ChatGPT Plus plan, while I was constantly getting kicked off the Claude Pro plan until I got fed up and cancelled a few months ago.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by 0x457 »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #18
uberduper wrote: post #8

Do people really want codex to have control over their computer and apps? I'm still paranoid about keeping things securely sandboxed.

Programmers mostly don't. Ordinary people see figuring out how to use the computer as a hindrance rather than empowering, they want Star Trek. They want "computer, plan my next vacation to XYZ for me" to lay out a full itinerary and offer to buy the tickets and make the reservations. Knowledge work is work most people don't really want to deal with. Ordinary people don't put much value into ideas regardless of their…

I did a friends trip where it was planned by ChatGPT recently. It was so bad, also it couldn't figure out japanese railroads.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by jampekka »

zozbot234 wrote: post #222
jampekka wrote: post #143

Lots of scepticism here, but I think this may really take off. After 25 years of heavy CLI use, lately I've found myself using codex (in terminal) for terminal tasks I've previously done using CLI commands. If someone manages to make a robust GUI version of this for normies, people will lap it up. People don't want to juggle applications, we want computers to do what we want/need them to do.

> lately I've found myself using codex (in terminal) for terminal tasks I've previously done by CLI commands. This is the real "computer use". We will always need GUI-level interaction for proprietary apps and websites that aren't made available in machine-readable form, but everything else you do with a computer should just be mapped to simple CLI commands that are comparatively trivial for a text-based AI.

I think websites via DOM are gonna be quite easy for the models.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by bloppe »

frank_nitti wrote: post #253
someotherperson wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competition is bad? Who cares - let the big players subsidize and compete between each other. That's what we want. We want strong models at a low price, and we'll hype up whoever is doing it. Simultaneously, we also hype up the open models that are catching up. That are significantly more discounted, that also put pressure on the big players and keep them in check. People aren't falling for PR; people are encouraging…

Interesting to see your observation where I have observed the opposite: posts that share big news about open-weight local models have many upvoted comments arguing local models shouldn’t be taken seriously and promoting the SOTA commercial models as the only viable options for serious developers. Here and on AI tech subreddits (ones that aren’t specifically about local or FOSS) seem to have this dynamic, to the degre…

I'm just waiting till I can afford a GPU again
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