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Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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I'm finding the "adaptive thinking" thing very confusing, especially having written code against the previous thinking budget / thinking effort / etc modes: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/adapti... Also notable: 4.7 now defaults to NOT including a human-readable reasoning token summary in the output, you have to add "display": "summarized" to get that: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-…

> Still trying to get a decent pelican out of this one but the new thinking stuff is tripping me up Wouldn't that be p-hacking where p stands for pelican?

Input: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

Output: Walk. It'll take you under a minute, and driving 50 meters barely gets the engine warm — plus you'd just have to park again at the other end. Honestly, by the time you started the car, you'd already be there on foot.

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I asked it to figure out why it made the mistake:

"Physical/spatial common sense. Exactly what just happened — I pattern-matched "50 meters, walk vs drive" to a pedestrian trip and skipped the part where the car is the thing being transported. Similar traps: "I need to move this couch upstairs, should I take the elevator or stairs?" (the couch has to go with you), or anything where the object in the task needs to accompany you.

Counting and letter-level operations. How many R's in "strawberry," counting words in a sentence, reversing strings. I process text as tokens, not characters, so these are surprisingly error-prone.

Arithmetic at scale. Small sums are fine; multi-digit multiplication, long division, or anything requiring careful carrying is where I'll confidently produce a wrong answer. I should reach for a calculator and often don't. Recent events and live data. My training has a cutoff, and even after that I can be wrong about who currently holds a role, what a stock is worth, or whether a restaurant is still open. I should search more often than I do.

Negation and constraint-stacking. "Name a movie that's not a sequel, not from the 2010s, not American, and has no dialogue" — the more filters, the more likely I quietly violate one. Your specific situation. I'll give generic advice when the right answer depends on details I didn't ask about. Sometimes I should stop and ask; often I don't.

Confidently wrong on obscure specifics. Quoting a passage from a real book, citing a real paper's exact title, naming the B-side of a 1974 single — I'll often generate something plausible rather than admit I don't know.

Taking a premise too literally. The car wash answer is a version of this: I answered the question as posed instead of stepping back to ask what you were actually trying to do. The meta-gotcha: I'm often most wrong when I sound most confident. If an answer comes out fast and tidy on a question that should be messy, that's a signal to push back."

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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while it seems even with 4.7 we will never see the quality of early 4.6 days, some dude is posting 'agi arrived!!!' on instagram and linkedIn.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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I'm not sure how much I trust Anthropic recently. This coming right after a noticeable downgrade just makes me think Opus 4.7 is going to be the same Opus i was experiencing a few months ago rather than actual performance boost. Anthropic need to build back some trust and communicate throtelling/reasoning caps more clearly.

Usually they're hemorrhaging performance while training. From that it's pretty likely they were training mythos for the last few weeks, and then distilling it to opus 4.7 Pure speculation of course, but would also explain the sudden performance gains for mythos - and why they're not releasing it to the general public (because it's the undistilled version which is too expensive to run)

Mythos is speculated to have 10 trillion parameters. Almost certainly they were training it for months.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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> We are releasing Opus 4.7 with safeguards that automatically detect and block requests that indicate prohibited or high-risk cybersecurity uses. Fucking hell. Opus was my go-to for reverse engineering and cybersecurity uses, because, unlike OpenAI's ChatGPT, Anthropic's Opus didn't care about being asked to RE things or poke at vulns. It would, however, shit a brick and block requests every time something remotely…

I'm currently testing 4.7 with some reverse engineering stuff/Ghidra scripting and it hasn't refused anything so far, but I'm also doing it on a 20 year old video game, so maybe it doesn't think that's problematic.

I really hope it's that way for my use cases too, also Ghidra and decompiler outputs, but I'm not optimistic.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this mean Claude no longer outputs the full raw reasoning, only summaries? At one point, exposing the LLM's full CoT was considered a core safety tenet.

Anthropic always summarizes the reasoning output to prevent some distillation attacks

Very cool that these companies can scrape basically all extant human knowledge, utterly disregard IP/copyright/etc, and they cry foul when the tables turn.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Let's say we take Anthropic's security and alignment claims at face value, and they have models that are really good at uncovering bugs and exploiting software. What should Anthropic do in this case? Anthropic could immediately make these models widely available. The vast majority of their users just want develop non-malicious software. But some non-zero portion of users will absolutely use these models to find explo…

Or they could check if the source is open source and available on the internet, and if yes refuse to analyse it if the person who request the analysis isn't affiliated to the project. That will still leave closed source software vulnerable, but I suspect it is somewhat rare for hackers to have the source of the thing they are targeting, when it is closed source.

How can they tell if the software is closed or open source?

They would have to maintain a server side hashmap of every open source file in existence

And it'd be trivial to spoof. Just change a few lines and now it doesn't know if it's closed or open

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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post #203

I'm finding the "adaptive thinking" thing very confusing, especially having written code against the previous thinking budget / thinking effort / etc modes: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/adapti... Also notable: 4.7 now defaults to NOT including a human-readable reasoning token summary in the output, you have to add "display": "summarized" to get that: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-…

Does this mean Claude no longer outputs the full raw reasoning, only summaries? At one point, exposing the LLM's full CoT was considered a core safety tenet.

CoT is basically bullshit, entirely confabulated and not related to any "thought process"...
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