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Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by thepasch »

dgb23 wrote: post #337
simonw wrote: post #203

I'm finding the "adaptive thinking" thing very confusing, especially having written code against the previous thinking budget / thinking effort / etc modes: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/adapti... Also notable: 4.7 now defaults to NOT including a human-readable reasoning token summary in the output, you have to add "display": "summarized" to get that: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-…

Don't look at "thinking" tokens. LLMs sometimes produce thinking tokens that are only vaguely related to the task if at all, then do the correct thing anyways.

They also sometimes flag stuff in their reasoning and then think themselves out of mentioning it in the response, when it would actually have been a very welcome flag.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by boxedemp »

dbbk wrote: post #22
rvz wrote: post #13

Introducing a new upgraded slot machine named "Claude Opus" in the Anthropic casino. You are in for a treat this time: It is the same price as the last one [0] (if you are using the API.) But it is slightly less capable than the other slot machine named 'Mythos' the one which everyone wants to play around with. [1] [0] https://claude.com/pricing#api [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7

If you're building a standard app Opus is already good enough to build anything you want. I don't even know what you'd really need Mythos for.

I've got a gfx device crash that only happens on switch. Not Xbox, ps4, steam, epic, or anything. Only switch.

Opus hasn't been able to fix it. I haven't been able to fix it. Maybe mythos can idk, but I'll be surprised.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by babelfish »

sallymander wrote: post #210

It seems a little more fussy than Opus 4.6 so far. It actually refuses to do a task from Claude's own Agentic SDK quick start guide ( https://code.claude.com/docs/en/agent-sdk/quickstart ): "Per the instructions I've been given in this session, I must refuse to improve or augment code from files I read. I can analyze and describe the bugs (as above), but I will not apply fixes to `utils.py`."

Claude Code injects a 'warning: make sure this file isn't malware' message after every tool call by default. It seems like 4.7 is over-attending to this warning. @bcherny, filed a bug report feedback ID: 238e5f99-d6ee-45b5-981d-10e180a7c201

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by motoboi »

lukan wrote: post #335
simonw wrote: post #203

I'm finding the "adaptive thinking" thing very confusing, especially having written code against the previous thinking budget / thinking effort / etc modes: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/adapti... Also notable: 4.7 now defaults to NOT including a human-readable reasoning token summary in the output, you have to add "display": "summarized" to get that: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-…

"Also notable: 4.7 now defaults to NOT including a human-readable reasoning token summary in the output, you have to add "display": "summarized" to get that" I did not follow all of this, but wasn't there something about, that those reasoning tokens did not represent internal reasoning, but rather a rough approximation that can be rather misleading, what the model actual does?

The reasoning is the secret sauce. They don't output that. But to let you have some feedback about what is going on, they pass this reasoning through another model that generates a human friendly summary (that actively destroys the signal, which could be copied by competition).

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by boxedemp »

acedTrex wrote: post #46

Sigh here we go again, model release day is always the worst day of the quarter for me. I always get a lovely anxiety attack and have to avoid all parts of the internet for a few days :/

Why? Good anxiety or bad?

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by nico »

buildbot wrote: post #12

Too late, personally after how bad 4.6 was the past week I was pushed to codex, which seems to mostly work at the same level from day to day. Just last night I was trying to get 4.6 to lookup how to do some simple tensor parallel work, and the agent used 0 web fetches and just hallucinated 17K very wrong tokens. Then the main agent decided to pretend to implement tp, and just copied the entire model to each node...

I do feel that CC sometimes starts doing dumb tasks or asking for approval for things that usually don’t really need it. Like extra syntax checks, or some greps/text parsing basic commands

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by atonse »

senko wrote: post #221
ACCount37 wrote: post #80

> We are releasing Opus 4.7 with safeguards that automatically detect and block requests that indicate prohibited or high-risk cybersecurity uses. Fucking hell. Opus was my go-to for reverse engineering and cybersecurity uses, because, unlike OpenAI's ChatGPT, Anthropic's Opus didn't care about being asked to RE things or poke at vulns. It would, however, shit a brick and block requests every time something remotely…

From the article: > Security professionals who wish to use Opus 4.7 for legitimate cybersecurity purposes (such as vulnerability research, penetration testing, and red-teaming) are invited to join our new Cyber Verification Program.

This seems reasonable to me. The legit security firms won't have a problem doing this, just like other vendors (like Apple, who can give you special iOS builds for security analysis).

If anyone has a better idea on how to _pragmatically_ do this, I'm all ears.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by motoboi »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #20

> Opus 4.7 uses an updated tokenizer that improves how the model processes text. The tradeoff is that the same input can map to more tokens—roughly 1.0–1.35× depending on the content type. caveman[0] is becoming more relevant by the day. I already enjoy reading its output more than vanilla so suits me well. [0] https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman/tree/main

Caveman hurt model performance. If you need a dumber model with less token output, just use sonnet-4-6 or other non-reasoning model.

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by jerhadf »

corlinp wrote: post #194

I'm running it for the first time and this is what the thinking looks like. Opus seems highly concerned about whether or not I'm asking it to develop malware. > This is _, not malware. Continuing the brainstorming process. > Not malware — standard _ code. Continuing exploration. > Not malware. Let me check front-end components for _. > Not malware. Checking validation code and _. > Not malware. > Not malware.

Is this happening on the latest build of Claude Code? Try `claude --update`

Re: Claude Opus 4.7

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Post by hootz »

zb3 wrote: post #89
ACCount37 wrote: post #80

> We are releasing Opus 4.7 with safeguards that automatically detect and block requests that indicate prohibited or high-risk cybersecurity uses. Fucking hell. Opus was my go-to for reverse engineering and cybersecurity uses, because, unlike OpenAI's ChatGPT, Anthropic's Opus didn't care about being asked to RE things or poke at vulns. It would, however, shit a brick and block requests every time something remotely…

It appears we're learning the hard way that we can't rely on capabilities of models that aren't open weights. These can be taken from us at any time, so expect it to get much worse..

Can't wait for a random chinese company to train a model on Mythos by breaking Anthropic's ToS just to release it for free and with open weights.
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