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The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by Marha01 »

lamasery wrote: post #141
Marha01 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personal cars are not the same as using them for logistics. Yes, they are in fact, the same. You cannot introduce such massively useful technology into the world and then say that it would be used only for logistics and not for personal transportation. Short of a worldwide totalitarian government, such arbitrary restriction would be completely unenforceable. It is possible to shape things with regulation, but only…

Sure, on your own land, just like you can drive more-or-less whatever you want as long as you stick to your own property, today, including vehicles that aren't "street legal". On public roads? No reason we'd have to license private cars for that, at least not for just any purpose.

How about the fact that any country that tries to ban private ownership of cars would completely fall behind in all car-related technologies, infrastructure and services, which would very soon negatively affect all those commercial or logistical use cases that our civilization vitally depends on?

Trying to ban all private cars while keeping our car-dependent civilization working is unrealistic, no matter how you look at it.

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Post by MarcelOlsz »

ernst_klim wrote: post #123
yubblegum wrote: post #63

I fear that outside of cataclysmic global warfare or some sort of butlerian jihad (which amounts to the same) this genie is not going back into the bottle. This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it, and almost all of the negatives cited by Kyle and likeminded (such as myself) are in fact positives for them in context of massive population reduction to eliminate "useless eaters" an…

> to eliminate "useless eaters" It can't. It can't even deal with emails without randomly deleting your email folder [1]. Saying that it can make decisions and replace humans is akin of saying that random number generator can make decisions and can replace people. It's just an automation tool, and just like all automation tools before it it will create more jobs than destroy. All the CEOs' talks about labor replaceme…

People have this misconception that first it was one way, and then , and they'll wake up and suddenly it is another. It's a slow creep. 10 years ago there were 5 of us on a team each responsible for something specific. Now I can do all of that. Teams and companies will downsize. How do you see AI creating more jobs? (I need some hope right now lol).

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

code_for_monkey wrote: post #119
prescriptivist wrote: post #68

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> You could say many of the broad and widespread mental issues we have in the US is the result of automobiles leading to suburbanization and thus isolation of people. Yes, you could say that, though I'm not sure who would actually say that seriously.

I would say that seriously, so there you go, theres two.

It's a turn of phrase. The belief isn't being called unserious. The holders of the belief are. It's the "white collar speak" approved way of saying those people are dumb or otherwise not worthy of consideration.

"I don't know anyone who seriously thinks that stone applied to fibrous asphalt is not a fine roofing material"

"I do not know anyone who seriously thinks that 4000kcal/day is healthy in normal circumstances"

"I don't know anyone who seriously thinks that women are incapable of working outside the home"

"I do not know anyone who seriously thinks a bright red suit is appropriate for a funeral"

And on and on and on.

But we both already knew that. So if you're gonna be obtuse and not understand it I'm gonna be obtuse and explain it.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by Ifkaluva »

underlipton wrote: post #81
yubblegum wrote: post #63

I fear that outside of cataclysmic global warfare or some sort of butlerian jihad (which amounts to the same) this genie is not going back into the bottle. This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it, and almost all of the negatives cited by Kyle and likeminded (such as myself) are in fact positives for them in context of massive population reduction to eliminate "useless eaters" an…

Gonna beat this drum till it breaks: General strike and bank runs. Not to collapse the economic system, but to present a credible threat of collapsing the economic system which AI development, as these elite and their platforms know it, relies on. When they're freaking out, we call for negotiations. This only works if people with "secure" livelihoods not just participate, but drive the effort. Getting paid six figure…

> layoff-proof position

What? I don’t know anybody who has a layoff-proof position.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by snackerblues »

viciousvoxel wrote: post #131
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #104

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I never want to live in a society that views individualism as toxic

The term "toxic individualism" doesn't mean that individualism is inherently toxic, like "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that about masculinity in the general case. These terms mean the over-expression of their worst aspects.

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by kraquepype »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #138
nehal3m wrote: post #124

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You’re equivocating, your parent specifically named an example of toxic individualism, they did not say or imply that individualism is toxic.

I guess, if you feel that freedom of movement is insignificant

The thing is, you have LESS freedom of movement in a car dependent society.

You lose that freedom of movement if:

Your car breaks down

Your car gets stolen

Your car gets totaled

You lose your license

You can't afford insurance

You get too sick to drive

You lose bodily mobility

Your mental faculties decline

If you can't drive, you have to depend on whatever public options there are around you. Good luck.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by lamasery »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #138
nehal3m wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re equivocating, your parent specifically named an example of toxic individualism, they did not say or imply that individualism is toxic.

I guess, if you feel that freedom of movement is insignificant

Exactly, that's why fostering an environment where most people can walk out their front door and get to most of what they need day-to-day pretty fast without having to own a car is so important. Freedom of movement.

Increased car ownership & use, and increased design of environments to cater to cars, greatly harms that freedom.

Ever checked into a hotel somewhere in city-sprawl, looked at your map to find a local shop to pick up some cable you forgot or a toothbrush or to get some dinner, and realized that despite those things being within half a mile you can't realistically walk to them because there's a highway between you and them, so you're stuck unless you pay someone with a car to drive you? Doesn't feel very free.

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Post by Marha01 »

Earw0rm wrote: post #132
Marha01 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personal cars are not the same as using them for logistics. Yes, they are in fact, the same. You cannot introduce such massively useful technology into the world and then say that it would be used only for logistics and not for personal transportation. Short of a worldwide totalitarian government, such arbitrary restriction would be completely unenforceable. It is possible to shape things with regulation, but only…

We pretty much did with aviation.

Our civilization does not depend on aviation very much, it's a specialized service. If all planes disappeared tomorrow, we will weather it pretty well. Cars are a completely different animal: they are ubiquitous and don't really have an alternative in many cases.

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Post by [deleted] »

Ifkaluva wrote: post #100

I don’t think this is the right take. To take the car analogy: it matters how we use the car. The car in itself can be used to save time and energy that would otherwise be used to walk to places. That extra time and energy can be used well, or poorly. - It can be squandered by having a longer commute that defeats the point - Alternatively, it can be wasted by sitting on a couch consuming Netflix or TikTok - Alternati…

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