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The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by underlipton »

yubblegum wrote: post #63

I fear that outside of cataclysmic global warfare or some sort of butlerian jihad (which amounts to the same) this genie is not going back into the bottle. This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it, and almost all of the negatives cited by Kyle and likeminded (such as myself) are in fact positives for them in context of massive population reduction to eliminate "useless eaters" an…

Gonna beat this drum till it breaks:

  General strike and bank runs.
Not to collapse the economic system, but to present a credible threat of collapsing the economic system which AI development, as these elite and their platforms know it, relies on. When they're freaking out, we call for negotiations.

This only works if people with "secure" livelihoods not just participate, but drive the effort. Getting paid six figures or more in a layoff-proof position? Cool, you need to be the first person walking out the door on May 1st (or whenever this happens), and the first person at the bank counter requesting your max withdrawal.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by lionkor »

Philpax wrote: post #75
lionkor wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already YEARS down the line from when this was promised, we can't keep saying "but in a couple more quarters it'll all be different!".

The front page is currently home to the announcement of Qwen 3.6 35B, which has comparable performance to the flagship coding models of a few months ago, and can be run at home by those with a gaming computer or MBP from the last five years. It is happening, but there will always be some lag.

Yes, but every time the capabilities, security, accuracy, or any other quality of LLMs is challenged, the default answer is that we'll essentially have AGI in a quarter or two. It's very tiring to try to argue with people about current quality, when the argument is always to wait and/or pay for a super expensive model.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by geremiiah »

yubblegum wrote: post #63

I fear that outside of cataclysmic global warfare or some sort of butlerian jihad (which amounts to the same) this genie is not going back into the bottle. This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it, and almost all of the negatives cited by Kyle and likeminded (such as myself) are in fact positives for them in context of massive population reduction to eliminate "useless eaters" an…

> This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it

If AI is smart enough to replace the 99.999% it's also smart enough to replace the 0.001%.

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Post by ori_b »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #10
poszlem wrote: post #4

From the article: "I’ve thought about this a lot over the last few years, and I think the best response is to stop. ML assistance reduces our performance and persistence, and denies us both the muscle memory and deep theory-building that comes with working through a task by hand: the cultivation of what James C. Scott would call metis." "What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do wi…

> "What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking-there's the real danger" - Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune I always preferred this take: “Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking of them.” ― Alfred North Whitehead It's both opposite and complementary to your Frank Herb…

It's very clear to me that many people have achieved peak civilization -- no evidence of thought remains.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by chungusamongus »

zabzonk wrote: post #31
chungusamongus wrote: post #20

Complaining about AI slop is starting to become its own kind of slop. There isn't anything novel in this little essay. It might as well have been written by AI because I've seen this type of dude complain about this exact type of thing countless times at this point, and none of them have a solution other than empty moralizing or call your representative or whatever. None of that’s going to work. Fortune, Gizmodo, The…

Spotting a problem is relatively easy. Coming up with a solution, not so much. But it is still worth pointing out that there is a problem.

I mean, it has been exhaustively discussed at this stage. Everyone who cares knows all of this stuff already.

The solution is obviously some form of socialism but a lot of tech people are blinkered libertarians who refuse to put two and two together.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by randallsquared »

mwigdahl wrote: post #62
miltonlost wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you know, Socrates was right. We did lose our memory with writing! How many phone numbers do you remember now that you have a phonebook in your phone? Humans will lose skills due to LLMs. That's just obvious on its face by the fact that if you don't do a skill regularly, you will lose it (or lose to do it as well as you once had).

The real question is whether we're worse off or better off overall than we were in Socrates' Athens.

There's a distinction to be made between "worse off" and "worse". Socrates was arguing that writing-users would be worse as people, not that they would experience lives they didn't like as much.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by zshn25 »

The comparison to automobiles changing streets is thrown around a lot. But I feel AI is fundamentally different. It is not a technological change like the internet which brought us huge amounts of opportunities in so many different directions. AI’s goal is to automate (in other words, replace) us.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by Philpax »

lionkor wrote: post #82
Philpax wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The front page is currently home to the announcement of Qwen 3.6 35B, which has comparable performance to the flagship coding models of a few months ago, and can be run at home by those with a gaming computer or MBP from the last five years. It is happening, but there will always be some lag.

Yes, but every time the capabilities, security, accuracy, or any other quality of LLMs is challenged, the default answer is that we'll essentially have AGI in a quarter or two. It's very tiring to try to argue with people about current quality, when the argument is always to wait and/or pay for a super expensive model.

That's not what the grandparent poster was saying, but sure. They have been steadily improving across those metrics, as Opus 4.6 / 4.7 / Mythos demonstrate. They're certainly not perfect, and I understand your fatigue (it is certainly fatiguing to follow, even if interested!), but each new release pushes it that bit further, and the improvements percolate downwards to the cheaper models.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess: Where do we go from here?

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Post by repelsteeltje »

yubblegum wrote: post #63

I fear that outside of cataclysmic global warfare or some sort of butlerian jihad (which amounts to the same) this genie is not going back into the bottle. This tech is 100% aligned with the goals of the 0.001% that own and control it, and almost all of the negatives cited by Kyle and likeminded (such as myself) are in fact positives for them in context of massive population reduction to eliminate "useless eaters" an…

I'm tempted to (bitterly) point out that feeling responsible for future generations was already off the table decades ago when we decided to ignore our ecological footprints.
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