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Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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So if you're fraudulently accused of wrongdoing that makes you a criminal? Nice, nice....

My interpretation was "if they'll serve criminals, they won't care if someone accuses you of a crime".

But that doesn't apply to cloudflare hosting so it still comes across as a pointless snipe.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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It's not hard. You could just pay someone else to buy the domain for you.

You need many that are willing to risk themselves going to jail. I don't think that's their method.

If you had a way to pay them I'm sure some someone in a poor country would take the offer. Pretty sure that's how this goes down.

They don't really risk anything cause they can just leave the angry emails about piracy on read.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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They will never see a single cent from that, AA will continue to rotate domains and nothing was accomplished, except for spotify's legal team which earned easy money arguing against empty chair in court. BTW, you can donate and get faster downloads: https://annas-archive.gl/donate Just donated in honor of this. Up yours spotify!

Didn't Spotify initially use pirated music to develop its system?

Considering the currently don’t pay small time artists a dime so they can funnel more money to the record labels that own them, they are still a piracy outfit.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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In places like Florida probably this department runs a blacklist of people who complained to be distributed across HRs.

Florida got rid of that department in 2002.

I live in Indiana. MAGA governor, supermajority republican house, senate, and judges.

And, no, they do not care one bit about workers, renters, and the lower class. I'm solidly middle-upper class now. Home-morgage-r. Make remote 160k, which is amazing for the area.

I also live in 1 of 3 liberalish areas. Amazingly, theyre worse in things like FLOCK, taxation, gun rights, speech rights, jail decency (opposition to ACLU), and other amendment rights.

I dont sit in their pet issues. I dont matter. I likely won't ever matter.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Immediately makes me think of the vitriol here on HN for the UK trying to enforce their age verification law outside their borders. Will the principle stand, or will it reveal that "USA is always right" is a common held belief

Copying intellectual property is not piracy. This term was co-opted by big industries to insure the cash cattle continue to pay. Piracy has a very specific sting to it. This was a deliberate choice. We don't call burglary "piracy", yet if we relax the definition enough to include IP theft, it is also piracy. GabeN also had the wrong take in that it's a "supply problem" or whatever nonsense he said. GabeN is in fact a…

Did you take an argument that it's not theft and change the words?

Unlike theft, the word piracy is fine. Nobody thinks you're talking about ships, and the "specific sting" is negligible.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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They will never see a single cent from that, AA will continue to rotate domains and nothing was accomplished, except for spotify's legal team which earned easy money arguing against empty chair in court. BTW, you can donate and get faster downloads: https://annas-archive.gl/donate Just donated in honor of this. Up yours spotify!

I don't know how to feel about any of this. First and foremost, I feel like Spotify is scummy. I don't like what they did when they were founded, I don't like what they do to artists. I hate the hyperscalers being in this business (Google, Apple, Amazon) as that's another thing they do that devalues an otherwise healthy market. Bringing in outside business division revenues to dump on another market's prices is ecolo…

> I don't like what they do to artists.

Global distribution. For $40/year. That was fucking unheard of 20 years ago. Spotify is the best thing that ever happened to artists. Don't let the mediocre one's who blame their lack of success on Spotify fool you. They don't make money because they likely suck and can't book dates because no one wants to see them.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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> why then switch to a mode that pays artists nothing at all? Do Bandcamp. Buy merch. Do something to support the artists. I don't like this perspective because it puts the onus on the individual consumer. Many people who listen to music struggle to make ends meet. They do not have the extra money to afford buying albums off of bandcamp, yet they are contributing members of society and they deserve to be able to list…

There would be no money floating around the music business, spare or otherwise, if no one paid for music I guess you could fund it with taxes?

Sure, why not? Current US music revenue is $6/mo per US taxpayer. For less than half the cost of Spotify you could 5x the income going to musicians if you skipped the middleman and magically just paid them directly. That doesn't seem like a bad deal.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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I don't know how to feel about any of this. First and foremost, I feel like Spotify is scummy. I don't like what they did when they were founded, I don't like what they do to artists. I hate the hyperscalers being in this business (Google, Apple, Amazon) as that's another thing they do that devalues an otherwise healthy market. Bringing in outside business division revenues to dump on another market's prices is ecolo…

> I don't like what they do to artists Not sure if you're aware, but it's the labels, not Spotify: > It pays roughly two-thirds of every dollar it generates from music, with nearly 80% allocated to recording royalties and about 20% to publishing, though how much artists and songwriters ultimately receive depends on their agreements with rights holders, which Spotify does not control. [0] Spotify is frantically trying…

Wow. This is certainly a take. Two things: 1. Spotify has had a policy for a couple years now of not paying artists who generate less than 1,000 streams per year PER song. So if I get 999 streams on each of my 50 songs every year, I get nothing from Spotify. 2. Major labels own major stakes in Spotify. They are one and the same.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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So, anyone should be able to sell something called "Coca Cola"?

Nitpick: that’s trademark, not copyright. While it’s bundled under IP, it’s a different beast altogether.

The above claim was in fact regarding “intellectual property”. If you break it down, there are plenty of IP rights which make a lot of sense.

Here’s one for copyright:

“Do you think any corporation should be allowed to make closed source forks of GPL software?”

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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I don't know how to feel about any of this. First and foremost, I feel like Spotify is scummy. I don't like what they did when they were founded, I don't like what they do to artists. I hate the hyperscalers being in this business (Google, Apple, Amazon) as that's another thing they do that devalues an otherwise healthy market. Bringing in outside business division revenues to dump on another market's prices is ecolo…

> I don't like what they do to artists. Global distribution. For $40/year. That was fucking unheard of 20 years ago. Spotify is the best thing that ever happened to artists. Don't let the mediocre one's who blame their lack of success on Spotify fool you. They don't make money because they likely suck and can't book dates because no one wants to see them.

Finally the correct take on spotify. Artists were 100% fucked before spotify, streaming saved them. Now we have more artists making money than ever, but since most of them arent really successful they whine and whine when they'd be making nothing 20 years ago.
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