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Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by Aurornis »

mystraline wrote: post #84
reactordev wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The laws of the US have always been crafted to protect the interests of the elite, not the industrious.

Sure has. And even policing protects local monied interests. One case was someone who used their bike as their vehicle put a tracker on it. Was stolen. Tracker dutifully said where it was. Went to police station, they did absolutely shit. They were handed the bike receipt, token receipt, and realtime log. They DGAF. Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in polic…

> Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in police report, was told "CIVIL MATTER"

Too late now, but for future reference for others: Wage theft reports should go to your state's department of labor. Every state is different but from what I've seen these offices have people who are hungry to catch real wage claims. Companies listen up when the state department of labor comes knocking.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by [deleted] »

Ragnarork wrote: post #19

> In addition to the damages award, Rakoff entered a permanent worldwide injunction Because apparently U.S. courts and judges can do that. The more this is ignored by third-parties outside of the U.S., the better. I'm not against international cooperation regarding common rules (I'm rather for), but the current context certainly doesn't designate the U.S. as a responsible custodian/enforcer of such rules.

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Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by giwook »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #82
erelong wrote: post #81

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It's even more absurd now when the big AI companies train their LLMs on torrented books.

Don't you know that it's okay to steal IP (and skirt laws in general) when you're a big company with lots of money?

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by Aurornis »

bstsb wrote: post #2

this won't actually change anything right? > the operators of the site remain unidentified. The judgment [...] orders Anna’s Archive to file a compliance report within ten business days, under penalty of perjury, that includes valid contact information for the site and its managing agents

They already removed the files when the lawsuit was filed.

Obviously, they're not paying the $322 million. The amount doesn't matter because they're not paying anything. What it does enable is seizing their domain names and any other resources that are hosted by companies in the US jurisdiction.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by hayleox »

Trying to shut down a site by going after their domain names will always be a losing battle. As long as the link on their Wikipedia article keeps being updated, it'll remain easy to access. And it would be a pretty shocking attack on free speech if a U.S. court tried to order the Wikimedia Foundation to take that down; I suspect the public response would be similar to when the movie industry tried to get the AACS encryption key taken down in the 2000s.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by ezst »

Ragnarork wrote: post #19

> In addition to the damages award, Rakoff entered a permanent worldwide injunction Because apparently U.S. courts and judges can do that. The more this is ignored by third-parties outside of the U.S., the better. I'm not against international cooperation regarding common rules (I'm rather for), but the current context certainly doesn't designate the U.S. as a responsible custodian/enforcer of such rules.

Cory Doctorow made a whole CCC speech about this.

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by stuffn »

gib444 wrote: post #44
Ragnarork wrote: post #19

> In addition to the damages award, Rakoff entered a permanent worldwide injunction Because apparently U.S. courts and judges can do that. The more this is ignored by third-parties outside of the U.S., the better. I'm not against international cooperation regarding common rules (I'm rather for), but the current context certainly doesn't designate the U.S. as a responsible custodian/enforcer of such rules.

Immediately makes me think of the vitriol here on HN for the UK trying to enforce their age verification law outside their borders. Will the principle stand, or will it reveal that "USA is always right" is a common held belief

Copying intellectual property is not piracy. This term was co-opted by big industries to insure the cash cattle continue to pay. Piracy has a very specific sting to it. This was a deliberate choice. We don't call burglary "piracy", yet if we relax the definition enough to include IP theft, it is also piracy.

GabeN also had the wrong take in that it's a "supply problem" or whatever nonsense he said. GabeN is in fact an industry plant and owns one of the strictest IP protection platforms on the market. Why people buy on steam when they can ban you for almost anything and take everything you've ever rented (you dont own anything on steam). Thousands of dollars of games gone with a ban. In any normal world this would be tantamount to grand theft and a small business owner would actually face real prison time for it.

You can't "steal" something that isn't gone when it's stolen. If I walked into a house, took a necklace, and left an exact unaltered copy I'd at best be charged with a lesser crime that didn't include theft. But if you copy movies/music/software you're liable to have your entire life absolutely financially and possibly criminally ruined.

The government of the US is hardly a government for the people, by the people. It's strictly designed to enrich the few and consume "human resources".

Re: Anna's Archive loses $322M Spotify piracy case without a fight

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Post by 6thbit »

300M come from: Statutory damages for circumvention of a technological measure for 120,000 music files

22M come from: Statutory damages for willful copyright infringement for 148 sound recordings from Sony, Warner and UMG.

Why is it only 148 sound recording with infringed copyright when the 'circunvention' is for 120,000?

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