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Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by bitexploder »

rustyhancock wrote: post #3

The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. The most frustrating effect is that even a few drinks in the evening (maybe over 2-3 units). Unsettles my sleep that if I'm in the process of learning something feels like it sets me back several days. That's not even counting the slowed processing I feel, and lower productivity the next day. I genuinely have to revisit old information. A gen…

For a long time with sleep studies they would give participants a single unit of alcohol. Alcohol has always trashed sleep, even when younger.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by master-lincoln »

mainmailman wrote: post #38
master-lincoln wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which kinda tells that people in general like to drink. No, it just tells you there is enough demand for alcohol selling to be a profitable business, not that people in general like to drink.

There are bars everywhere

There are also gambling machines everywhere around me yet I don't know a single person who uses them.

I looked up numbers for the USA and 2025 54% said they consume alcohol. So it's most people but millions don't.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by alphawhisky »

keybored wrote: post #44
VanTodi wrote: post #18

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In my area there is a saying like "it takes a village to raise a child". i believe that a good social network is not only important for the kid, but for the parents too. it helps so much to have a partner, grandparents, aunts/uncles, who can look over the kid just for a hour or 2, so you can get your rest. And its usually fun for the kids too. Now that i have 2 kids, a loving wife and 2 families around me, i have the…

This is why people critique the nuclear family—the degenerate village around the children that just consists of the parents, maybe grandparents at holidays. It’s a recipe for overworked adults.

I've got a Mexican American friend that lives multi-generationally and loves it. He's a few years out of high school with a good job in management and a nice car, money in the bank. His older brother gets help parenting from Tio and the grandparents, and generally everyone gets along well. He's almost kept up with me in savings for property and I'm married (our pay is pretty similar, but I have dual income). American culture optimizes for wastefulness and puts too much of an emphasis on independence, especially when arrangements like this exist that actually can lead to greater individual freedom in the long run.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by DiffTheEnder »

Antibabelic wrote: post #46

> There is only one formula for healthy and refreshing sleep: Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an alarm clock. This is very easy to say when you're not suffering from insomnia and other sleep disorders.

Wake up without an alarm clock is surely beneficial regardless of when you go to sleep?

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by jodrellblank »

soco wrote: post #13
elAhmo wrote: post #8

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Mentioning drinking three times (effects of drinks in the evening, hangover, effects on learning) in a single response might give an impression you like to drink.

The topic is drinking so they mentioned drinking, and usually people do what they like to do, and in other news water is wet - but do we judge water for being wet? So let's stop virtue signaling because it's definitely not a show of virtue. I see where religious fundamentalism is taking the world and damn if I like it.

> "The topic is drinking"

The topic is sleeping.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by mothballed »

CalRobert wrote: post #23
VanTodi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my area there is a saying like "it takes a village to raise a child". i believe that a good social network is not only important for the kid, but for the parents too. it helps so much to have a partner, grandparents, aunts/uncles, who can look over the kid just for a hour or 2, so you can get your rest. And its usually fun for the kids too. Now that i have 2 kids, a loving wife and 2 families around me, i have the…

As immigrants with no local network, having kids is basically putting yourself under house arrest for a decade or so. You can post bail (pay a babysitter) for occasional reprieve. I mean sure you can go do outings with kids, but for most of them, do you really want to? I know mine aren't particularly enthralled by trips to the Rijksmuseum. I don't think this is how humans usually raised kids...

If you go to the third world kids are all running in the streets while both parents work and grandparents not doing fuck all to watch them either. The most practical answer is to relax negligence laws back to a sane level where as long as you're not torturing them and they are fed, "society" stays the fuck out of the punishment process.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by criddell »

chasd00 wrote: post #48
rustyhancock wrote: post #3

The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. The most frustrating effect is that even a few drinks in the evening (maybe over 2-3 units). Unsettles my sleep that if I'm in the process of learning something feels like it sets me back several days. That's not even counting the slowed processing I feel, and lower productivity the next day. I genuinely have to revisit old information. A gen…

I’m 49 and have all but given up on drinking. It does nothing for me except make me tired and then, ironically, mess up my sleep. On fridays I grill cheeseburgers for the family and usually have one Half-Life tall boy from Manhattan Brewery because it’s my favorite of all time but that’s about it. Otherwise, I don’t drink at all. Being tired and not sleeping well is handled perfectly adequately by my job hah.

I'm pretty much the same as you. I really like beer and wine and cocktails, but the bad sleep and feeling shitty the next day after even one drink isn't worth it. Thirty years ago hangovers were rare and could usually be ended with a cup of coffee, tylenol, and lots of water.

The next thing I have to back off on is sugar. It doesn't seem to mess up my sleep like booze, but I definitely notice it the day after I have that big bowl of ice cream or giant slice of cake. A big enough sugar binge feels pretty close to a hangover for me now.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by CalRobert »

mothballed wrote: post #57
CalRobert wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As immigrants with no local network, having kids is basically putting yourself under house arrest for a decade or so. You can post bail (pay a babysitter) for occasional reprieve. I mean sure you can go do outings with kids, but for most of them, do you really want to? I know mine aren't particularly enthralled by trips to the Rijksmuseum. I don't think this is how humans usually raised kids...

If you go to the third world kids are all running in the streets while both parents work and grandparents not doing fuck all to watch them either. The most practical answer is to relax negligence laws back to a sane level where as long as you're not torturing them and they are fed, "society" stays the fuck out of the punishment process.

I’d rather they not get run over… but generally agree with you

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by CalRobert »

ray_v wrote: post #32
CalRobert wrote: post #23

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As immigrants with no local network, having kids is basically putting yourself under house arrest for a decade or so. You can post bail (pay a babysitter) for occasional reprieve. I mean sure you can go do outings with kids, but for most of them, do you really want to? I know mine aren't particularly enthralled by trips to the Rijksmuseum. I don't think this is how humans usually raised kids...

We're in the same boat. Feels like mostly our society doesn't value having children - it's by and large not a very well supported activity. Even more so if you don't have immediate family to help support you.

Where’d you go? We were told Ireland values children but that didn’t match our experience (we moved to the Netherlands which has been better at least)
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