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Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#101

Post by lxgr »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #82
gsich wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SMS is unsafe anyway.

Nobody gives a damn. What matters is that it works even on a potato. SMS security only became a problem due to 2FA, which is just one of many use cases, and the failure isn't even technical here but organizational. I agree it should've prompted more pressure to secure the system against SIM-swapping; alas this is too close to the Real World, so the tech industry instead responded with alternative that side-steps the…

> Nobody gives a damn. What matters is that it works even on a potato.

It doesn't work on my computer, nor does it work on my phone when I'm traveling (different SIM), so I give a damn. WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal etc. do both. I really wish there was an open, federated standard (and no, RCS is neither), but until then, I'll use what actually works for me.

SMS just sucks, and I hate that it's become so ubiquitous an authentication method when it's not even secure.

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#102

Post by lxgr »

stavros wrote: post #99
lxgr wrote: post #98

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Yes, and it works, as it has for the past few years.

So I don't need my primary device any more? I can just shut that phone down forever?

No, I think you need it to be online once every 30 days or so. That's a much weaker requirement than what you were disputing, though.

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#103

Post by pratyahava »

risyachka wrote: post #74
faangguyindia wrote: post #5

I just use telegram. Just yesterday I setup a bot which is easy via botfather And also, setup an app (claude built it but I had to fiddle with it, it works like pagerduty) but uses cloudflate worker to push downtime/errors (via fcm) in production (from graphana) via webhooks to "full screen, by pass dnd, alerts, with loud music, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IQBWWabuU ) I named the app "Siren". It's not…

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please provide a proof. if this is the case, then telegram is not to be trusted. but it needs to be proven. otherwise a lot of people trust their business and personal data to telegram.

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#104

Post by taminka »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #83
taminka wrote: post #69

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oh, i see, is it the same for facebook messenger and instagram, imessage, etc?

Messenger seems to be properly multi-device, but you pay for this by some PIN code bullshit (maybe they removed that, I haven't seen a popup about this for over a year now?) and having to sync chat history in the background, through a process that is, of course, broken and unreliable. I'm actually still jaded about this. Messenger worked fine before they broke it by introducing E2EE; it took years for them to fix the…

yeah messenger still has the pin code thingy, i'm curious why they do it at all that way, can't you just have your keys on fb servers encrypted with another set of keys derived from your password, which is much stronger than a 4-6 digit key?

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#105

Post by akdev1l »

stavros wrote: post #94
lxgr wrote: post #93

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Please stop spreading misinformation that can trivially be disproved with five minutes of effort.

I just tried it. Did you?

> You can now use the same WhatsApp account on multiple devices at the same time, using your primary phone to link up to four devices. You’ll need to log in to WhatsApp on your primary phone every 14 days to keep linked devices connected to your WhatsApp account.

ref: https://faq.whatsapp.com/1317564962315842/?cms_platform=ipho...

> Use WhatsApp on your computer even when your phone is off.

ref: https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#106

Post by bluebarbet »

lxgr wrote: post #101
TeMPOraL wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody gives a damn. What matters is that it works even on a potato. SMS security only became a problem due to 2FA, which is just one of many use cases, and the failure isn't even technical here but organizational. I agree it should've prompted more pressure to secure the system against SIM-swapping; alas this is too close to the Real World, so the tech industry instead responded with alternative that side-steps the…

> Nobody gives a damn. What matters is that it works even on a potato. It doesn't work on my computer, nor does it work on my phone when I'm traveling (different SIM), so I give a damn. WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal etc. do both. I really wish there was an open, federated standard (and no, RCS is neither), but until then, I'll use what actually works for me. SMS just sucks, and I hate that it's become so ubiquitous an a…

You can rent a virtual mobile number in your home country and consult SMSs on the web or even redirect them to email. I have done this for years, using Twilio for 2€ a month. Can't say the UX is great but it certainly fixes the whole problem.

I've never understood why so many people still chain their identities to physical SIM or even eSIMs. It's so fragile.

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#107

Post by lxgr »

bluebarbet wrote: post #106
lxgr wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody gives a damn. What matters is that it works even on a potato. It doesn't work on my computer, nor does it work on my phone when I'm traveling (different SIM), so I give a damn. WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal etc. do both. I really wish there was an open, federated standard (and no, RCS is neither), but until then, I'll use what actually works for me. SMS just sucks, and I hate that it's become so ubiquitous an a…

You can rent a virtual mobile number in your home country and consult SMSs on the web or even redirect them to email. I have done this for years, using Twilio for 2€ a month. Can't say the UX is great but it certainly fixes the whole problem. I've never understood why so many people still chain their identities to physical SIM or even eSIMs. It's so fragile.

Yeah, that's a good workaround. Google Voice can work too.

Unfortunately, more and more services are declining to send to VoIP numbers because of seCurItY, so it's a game of cat and mouse.

Fortunately SMS is so expensive in parts of Europe and it's not allowable anymore to use SMS by itself for online payment authentication, and both issues combined have slowly been pushing companies to explore alternatives.

There unfortunately seems to be no such pressure in the US. Passkeys could solve the issue, but probably increase support request volumes enough for most companies to not bother unless forced.

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#108

Post by el_io »

risyachka wrote: post #74
faangguyindia wrote: post #5

I just use telegram. Just yesterday I setup a bot which is easy via botfather And also, setup an app (claude built it but I had to fiddle with it, it works like pagerduty) but uses cloudflate worker to push downtime/errors (via fcm) in production (from graphana) via webhooks to "full screen, by pass dnd, alerts, with loud music, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IQBWWabuU ) I named the app "Siren". It's not…

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Are you using any custom telegram client?

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#109

Post by PUSH_AX »

faangguyindia wrote: post #5

I just use telegram. Just yesterday I setup a bot which is easy via botfather And also, setup an app (claude built it but I had to fiddle with it, it works like pagerduty) but uses cloudflate worker to push downtime/errors (via fcm) in production (from graphana) via webhooks to "full screen, by pass dnd, alerts, with loud music, this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0IQBWWabuU ) I named the app "Siren". It's not…

> I just use telegram.

And how do you just get everyone you want to speak to use telegram?

Re: Wacli – WhatsApp CLI

#110

Post by c0balt »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #62
NoahZuniga wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta already has a whatsapp api product

For spammers. They don't have one for regular people who want to do regular end-user computation.

That seems a but pessimistic. A few companies use it for customer service, like ime Adidas Germany [0] (they handled an exchange for me once on there). It is effectively just another customer support line like a chat portal on a website.

[0]: https://www.adidas.de/en/help/contact-us

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