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Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

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Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#31

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

Though of course Apple's rules aren't always consistent, I have 2 separate apps currently on my phone that can/are running this (Google's Edge Gallery and Locally AI)

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#32

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

Use of the LLMs to do what?

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#33

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

I think Apple will become increasingly draconian about LLMs. Very soon people won't need to buy many of their apps. They can just make them. This threatens Apple's entire business model.

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#34

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

Use of the LLMs to do what?

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Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#35
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run qwen3.5 122b on a Framework Desktop at 35/ts as a daily driver doing security and OS systems and software engineering. Never paid an LLM provider and I have no reason to ever start.

What spec of Framework Desktop do you run this on?

If you're looking to buy new hardware, also consider the Asus Rog Flow Z13. It has the same chip as the Framework desktop and is ~20% cheaper ($2,700) for the 128 GB spec while coming in a tablet/laptop form factor. It's capped at a slightly lower power but Strix Halo scales down very well in TDP - I never even use the max power mode on my Z13 because you don't really get any extra perf.

The only downside is that I suspect the Framework would be a decent bit quieter under load (not that this thing is abnormally loud). As well as you're limited to a single M.2 2230 internal SSD slot in this (I believe Micron recently launched a 4 TB model, but generally you'll max out at 2 TB without using an external enclosure).

I don't have anything against the Framework, I'm sure it's a great machine, but the Z13 is an incredible portable all-in-one device that can handle everything from general PC use to gaming to tablet/entertainment to LLMs & high perf.

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#36

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

Though of course Apple's rules aren't always consistent, I have 2 separate apps currently on my phone that can/are running this (Google's Edge Gallery and Locally AI)

Can't be just a SaaSpocolypse. LLMs with the right harness could obliterate much of the TODO+ apps with a general assistant.

But it's more likely it's just walled garden + security theatre that'll keep them from allowing outside apps.

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#37

For those who would like an example of its output, I'm currently working through creating a small, free (cc0, public domain) encyclopedia (just a couple of thousand entries) of core concepts in Biology and Health Sciences, Physical Sciences, and Technology. Each entry is being entirely written by Gemma 4:e4b (the 10 GB model.) I believe that this may be slightly larger than the size of the model that runs locally on…

What's your goal? Do you have a project you want the encyclopedia for?

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#38

Is the output coherent though? I am yet to see a local model working on consumer grade hardware being actually useful.

I have a 128 GB Strix Halo tablet (same as the other commenter here with the Framework Desktop). I'm using the larger Gemma 4 26B-A4B model (only 28 GB @ Q8) and it's been working great and runs very fast.

It's a 100% replacement for free ChatGPT/Gemini.

Compared to the paid pro/thinking models... Gemma does have reasoning, and I have used the reasoning mode for some tax & legal/accounting advice recently as well as other misc problems. It's worked well for that, but I haven't tried any real difficult tasks. From what I've heard re. agentic coding, the open weight models are ~18-24 months behind Anthropic & Google's SOTA.

Qwen 3.5 122B-A10B should just fit into 128 GB with a Q4/5 and may be a bit smarter. There's apparently also a similar sized Gemma 4 model but they haven't released it yet, the 26B was the largest released.

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#39

Unfortunately Apple appears to be blocking the use of these llms within apps on their app store. I've been trying to ship an app that contains local llms and have hit a brick wall with issue 2.5.2

I think Apple will become increasingly draconian about LLMs. Very soon people won't need to buy many of their apps. They can just make them. This threatens Apple's entire business model.

Apple's business model isn't really affected by 2% of its users choosing not to spend $100/yr on the App Store. That isn't even a blip on the radar.

A kid playing Roblox can spend more than that in a good weekend.

Re: Google Gemma 4 Runs Natively on iPhone with Full Offline AI Inference

#40

is there a comparison of it running on iPhone vs. Android phones?

Running Gemma-4-E2B-it on an iPhone 15 (can't go higher than that due to RAM limitations) versus a Pixel 9 Pro, I don't really notice much of a difference between the two. The Pixel is a bit faster, but also a year more recent.

The model itself works absolutely fine, though the iPhone thermal throttles at some point which really reduces the token generation speed. When I asked it to write me a business plan for a fish farm in the Nevada desert, it slowed down after a couple thousand tokens, whereas the Pixel seems to just keep going.

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