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Re: Trusted access for the next era of cyber defense

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

flyinglizard wrote: post #18
guzfip wrote: post #15

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More like they realized how much money they were wasting letting the proles generate slop and vibe code the same CRUD app they rewrote in 5 different JavaScript frameworks a few years back. The money is in enterprise and government. The consumer market doesn’t remotely pay enough. It’s just the same story with Microsoft purposely making Windows an unusable mess because that’s not where they make their money. It was g…

Wait six months, get the Chinese version.

The move towards "trusted partners" also acts as a way to protect from distillation.

Re: Trusted access for the next era of cyber defense

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Post by kaashif »

0x3f wrote: post #20
sureMan6 wrote: post #14

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> Another solution is to make software makers responsible and liable for the output of their products. It's long been a problem that there is little legal responsibility, but we shouldn't just accept it. If Ford makes exploding cars, they are liable. If OpenAI makes software that endangers people, it should be the same. That kind of thinking is exactly why LLMs are so censored, because people think OAI should be liab…

There's always some wedge issue that means "don't punish the toolkmaker" is not politically viable. You can pick from guns to legal drugs to illegal drugs to all kinds of emotive things. And once the wedge is in and the concept of maker responsibility is planted, it expands to people's pet issues, obviously. The actual line of who gets punished just ends up at some equilibrium in the middle. Largely arbitrarily.

I think the classic one is pedophiles and protecting children.

If someone uses ChatGPT to create child porn or worse, to get help tracking down and meeting children, there is NO way in hell the public will accept "don't punish the toolmaker" as a principle.

Re: Trusted access for the next era of cyber defense

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Post by chickensong »

twoodfin wrote: post #37
cshimmin wrote: post #35

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Incidentally, I recently learned the origin of the term. Cyber - short for cybernetic - is from the greek κυβερνήτης (kybernetes), meaning helmsman. The original use of cybernetics is in the context of automated control systems, so steering a rudder was a good analogy. It is also the origin for the name k8s.

In the early days of socialization on the Internet it had a very different meaning!!

a/s/l?

Re: Trusted access for the next era of cyber defense

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Post by mikewarot »

It's important to keep perspective, the holes that everyone (including LLMs now) keep finding in pretty much everything are mostly the fault of running things with ambient authority, instead of using systems based on default deny, and capabilities.

I used to think we were 20 years away from a shift to Capabilities based Operating Systems, which were ----> this Unfortunately, I think we're about to repeat history, and we're now 20+ years out from actually solving things, AGAIN. 8(

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Post by spacebacon »

ACCount37 wrote: post #17
spacebacon wrote: post #11

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First, it looks like an "AI psychosis" paper. AI psychosis has been going through armchair philosophers the way crack was going through the low income neighborhoods back in the 80s. Second, it does not look relevant to the discussions in any way, fashion or form.

If I didn’t empirically prove it I would agree with you. Computation and semiotics are two fields that want nothing to do with each other. The SRT is through several stages of quantitative validation. For the first time in 150 years semiotics is not a philosophy. It is proven to have computational value. The SRT bolts onto any model and improves it. I’ll be sure to link you to the benchmarks when published. The relevance is it makes these treasured black boxes irrelevant.

Re: Trusted access for the next era of cyber defense

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Post by atoav »

Avicebron wrote: post #26

I don't think they've added enough cyber. My cyber workflow demands more trusted access for cyber so that I can use these cyber-permissive models for my cybersecurity.

Just make sure you use cyber periphery (e.g. a cyber keyboard) to type out your cyber prompts and you will be cyb.. ahh.. fine.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

SoftTalker wrote: post #45
ofjcihen wrote: post #32

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Whoa hey now, if they just give out all the cyber all at once they might run out or worse, the bad guys will horde all the cyber for themselves! No no, best to have them distribute the cyber to us responsibly.

Just wait until you meet the Cybermen.

I just hope they're the Responsible Cybermen.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

twoodfin wrote: post #37
cshimmin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incidentally, I recently learned the origin of the term. Cyber - short for cybernetic - is from the greek κυβερνήτης (kybernetes), meaning helmsman. The original use of cybernetics is in the context of automated control systems, so steering a rudder was a good analogy. It is also the origin for the name k8s.

In the early days of socialization on the Internet it had a very different meaning!!

In my headcanon, I still read k8s as "network of cubes", as in Borg cubes, as Kubernetes itself is a poor man's Borg (as in the thing that Google runs on, named after Star Trek Borg, known for cube-shaped ships referred to as "Borg cubes"). The whole kyber thing sounds like an explanation after the fact, to detach from the Collective legacy.
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