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Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

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My dad is in his 80s. He keeps careful notes on how to use devices like tablets and TVs. There might be a touch of engineer-brain at work here, but the struggle is very real. He generally wouldn't take in all of the text and symbols on a screen if there is a lot of going on, or might get hung up on the wrong parts of it. He generally wouldn't find a modern interface at all "intuitive".

Any change to an interface is going to disrupt this, so one thing would be to change the interface only very rarely and carefully.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

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I quite like the new trend where you can login just by entering the 2fa on SMS or email. Skip the whole username/password.

Passkeys are even better since you don't have to pull out your phone or switch to email to grab a code. It just logs you in. Also for old people, its impossible to fall for a phishing page using Passkeys. Unlike auth codes where you can type the code in to a fake login page.

I have 3 laptops, a PC and a PC at work and 2 phones. Passkeys still confuse me and I'm not 60 yet.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dislike these "magic links" as a login procedure as you always have to switch between apps instead of just filling login / 2FA with your password manager. SMS is even worse as it's also insecure. As an additional option, I can see the benefit for people who live in their Gmail app and don't have a password manager.

On iOS, the code from Messages or email is auto populated. But just don’t do email. Too many things can go wrong. But I do love pass keys.

As with a lot of Apple features...it's great when it works but 10% of the time it doesn't and then it's infuriating.

Often my iMessages arrive on my phone 30 seconds before they arrive on my Mac, so it's quicker to look at the phone notifications and type it in manually than it is to wait for them to arrive and auto-fill to get triggered.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

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Instructions on how to create and use a bookmark can help as far as the domain/getting to log in goes. I know nobody RTFMs but if they've got instructions they can follow for that, they'll only need to read it once (hopefully). Hopefully, that will reduce the level of frustration before they try to log in.

Is your product a simple TODO list? Is it a health diary with loads of sensitive information? Is it for storing nuclear codes? Is this something users typically use on shared computers? On their phones? When you consider whether or not some of the other commenters' suggestions for reducing complexity of authc and potentially account recovery are reasonable, you need to keep that context in mind. It's hard to make decent suggestions without that context, imo.

Check WCAG's recommendations around accessibility. Start with cognitive and vision, and make sure to check out sections around designing and interacting with forms, but make sure to have a browse around broadly.

The UK government's style guides have some thoughtful advice around usability and accessibility. [0][1]

[0]: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide [1]: https://design-system.service.gov.uk/

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passkeys are even better since you don't have to pull out your phone or switch to email to grab a code. It just logs you in. Also for old people, its impossible to fall for a phishing page using Passkeys. Unlike auth codes where you can type the code in to a fake login page.

I have 3 laptops, a PC and a PC at work and 2 phones. Passkeys still confuse me and I'm not 60 yet.

They essentially work automatically without having to understand them. They get synced with your apple and google account or password manager to every device. For a work pc or something you haven't signed in with, Windows and MacOS will show a QR code you scan with your phone and it all just works.

For an old person who basically just uses an iphone and ipad, you can't screw it up and you can't be scammed.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#27
When I did phone support for the fruit company there was a woman who would come back to me time and again with roughly the same issue.

She had some form of extreme palsy, and her kids lived on a different continent.

What she needed, was someone to talk to her as she tried to input her password the 10 or so times it would take her to get it entered correctly.

If she did it herself, she would become unsure that she was using the correct password, and give up because she was second guessing herself.

If she asked a nurse to help, the nurse would need to bail halfway through the process and address some other requirement.

In a separate incarnation, I was helping a 90 year old gentleman, who was providing free legal support for the organisation, to log on to his laptop. We had a 60 day password reset cycle. This gentleman would only attend the office every month. So every other visit required a password reset. He would berate me as he went, like the guy was a massive d bag. But my understanding was that he had chronic arthritis in his hands, so this process was very painful for him.

I think the best workflow would be to use login codes and eschew passwords entirely. Definitely dont have mandatory password resets. I think the initial Passcode enrollment step might rule passcodes out but I have only really dealt with them on the MS side.

That said, you need a really good non password backstop for login codes, because in my experience, elderly people tend to replace phones/numbers/laptops/email addresses quite frequently too. I used to keep a folder in my password vault for my grandmother so I could recover her email/facebook, but not before she ended up with 3 email accounts and facebook pages.

Biometric Authenticator App? IE key recovery / load to a new phone is biometric, but otherwise it just prompts a 6 digit code on login? I think younger generations have a better sense of "I am X, but my email controls Y" where older people are like "I am me, so give me my emails" and something that is unequivocally "Me" like biometrics might be the best way to meet them where they are.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#28

When I did phone support for the fruit company there was a woman who would come back to me time and again with roughly the same issue. She had some form of extreme palsy, and her kids lived on a different continent. What she needed, was someone to talk to her as she tried to input her password the 10 or so times it would take her to get it entered correctly. If she did it herself, she would become unsure that she was…

On forced password resets, the NIST guidelines are clear. But alas, this kind of news travel very VERY slowly it seems. Even the large organisations that "care deeply" about security seem to miss the memos. Gets my goat all the time.

Thanks for the real world stories on people who are actually, physically challenged.

Re: Ask HN: Easiest UX for Seniors

#29

I am really interested in the concept of elder/senior citizen technology. The basic design concept for them is answering "what am I looking at?" I created this tool ( https://anftr.com/ ) for some of my ex-colleagues in their early 50s who were trying to navigate the world of office software. They were struggling with Microsoft Word and Excel, and I have seen them yell at ChatGPT and bash their mouses constantly, hop…

54yo here. We (GenX) grew up with computers. It’s the Boomers and Silent Generation that have trouble.
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