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I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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To me this sounds like the equivalent of visiting a website that sells your data, and then asking AWS to delete your personal data when it actually belongs to a customer of theirs and only resides within their private storage. Would you ask your local ISP to delete data they provided to Tinder like your IP address? That doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

#12

If that's a valid excuse than the CCPA isn't worth the paper its written on.

I would argue that the request was invalid in the first place.

If I see a flash on a speed camera operated by a business on behalf of a police department, your argument states I should be able to use CCPA to force the business to delete my picture and the record of me speeding If I can get the request to them before the police can file with the court and request that data as evidence.

The data belongs to the government, and you can't get around that right by going to business that holds the data and asking them to delete it.

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

#13

I wrote this. I had/have absolutely no expectation that Flock would comply with my request, but figured I should try anyway For Science. Their reply rubbed me wrong, though. They seem to claim that there are no restrictions on their collection and processing of PII because other people pay them for it. They say: > Flock Safety’s customers own the data and make all decisions around how such data is used and shared. wh…

Nice work all the same. These systems need to be prodded and tested. Even unsuccessful results such as this tell us something about the situation we're in.

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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To me this sounds like the equivalent of visiting a website that sells your data, and then asking AWS to delete your personal data when it actually belongs to a customer of theirs and only resides within their private storage. Would you ask your local ISP to delete data they provided to Tinder like your IP address? That doesn't make sense to me.

As I understand it, the author wrote to Flock as they are the entity collecting the PII. Your analogy would only make sense if the author had written to Flock's customers (and even then it's a rather strained comparison).

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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I wrote this. I had/have absolutely no expectation that Flock would comply with my request, but figured I should try anyway For Science. Their reply rubbed me wrong, though. They seem to claim that there are no restrictions on their collection and processing of PII because other people pay them for it. They say: > Flock Safety’s customers own the data and make all decisions around how such data is used and shared. wh…

They were saying "don't write to us, talk to the people who own the cameras and ask them to delete the data". A company that manufactures video cameras is not the one to talk to when someone records you, talk to the person who recorded you. But a reasonable person would say -- the data is stored on Flock servers, not with the camera owners. And Flock would say, just because we sell data storage functionality to camer…

AFAIK Flock owns the cameras and leases them out [0].

[0] https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-does-my-neighb...

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

#16

I wrote this. I had/have absolutely no expectation that Flock would comply with my request, but figured I should try anyway For Science. Their reply rubbed me wrong, though. They seem to claim that there are no restrictions on their collection and processing of PII because other people pay them for it. They say: > Flock Safety’s customers own the data and make all decisions around how such data is used and shared. wh…

I am not a lawyer myself but can't one argue that this company has duty to ensure that data it is processing for client is legally obtained.

If they are processing data after being told it was not obtained with consent do they not have any liability?

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

#17
Per my understanding of the law for these sorts of data collectors, at least in the U.S., you need to contact the local municipalities (Flock's customers) for this redaction and the jurisprudence is governed at the state and municipal level.

The best source of this information is https://deflock.org/ . FWIW, this is run by a neighbor in Boulder, CO which has been wrestling with the use of these cameras.

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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I wrote this. I had/have absolutely no expectation that Flock would comply with my request, but figured I should try anyway For Science. Their reply rubbed me wrong, though. They seem to claim that there are no restrictions on their collection and processing of PII because other people pay them for it. They say: > Flock Safety’s customers own the data and make all decisions around how such data is used and shared. wh…

I think you should write them back and ask that they provide you with a customer list and continually update you as they get new customers so that you may follow the advice they've given you.

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were saying "don't write to us, talk to the people who own the cameras and ask them to delete the data". A company that manufactures video cameras is not the one to talk to when someone records you, talk to the person who recorded you. But a reasonable person would say -- the data is stored on Flock servers, not with the camera owners. And Flock would say, just because we sell data storage functionality to camer…

AFAIK Flock owns the cameras and leases them out [0]. [0] https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/flock-safety-does-my-neighb...

If you go to Rent-A-Center and rent a DSLR, that doesn't make Rent-A-Center responsible for the pictures taken by their cameras.

Re: I wrote to Flock's privacy contact to opt out of their domestic spying program

#20
The only opt-out the citizenry has is with any of the following:

    2x4
    rebar
    spraypaint
    spray foam
    battery powered metal cutter
And bash those pieces of shit to chunks or completely ruin the lens and solar.

Republican community? They love corporate surveillance. Democrat community? They too love corporate surveillance.

There is no "Peoples' Party" that rejects this garbage.

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