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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by Retr0id »

raincole wrote: post #92
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provi…

But copyright law does exist?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by cj »

worldsayshi wrote: post #82
avereveard wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when connected health device cause a death I guess

What kind of health devices require reliable internet connection to prevent death?

Certain medical devices have remote monitoring. You won't die without internet, but your doctor might not receive updates from the device.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by lamasery »

YawningAngel wrote: post #19
lamasery wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how close they are in broad economic damage to it being cheaper to just pay FIFA or whomever for some kind of nationwide viewing license (which they'd surely be able to negotiate way lower than a simple "cost to view every match, times count of Spanish residents" since that's nowhere near as much as they're getting out of Spain now)

Movistar are paying a billion dollars a year, so probably a long way away

$20/yr per Spanish resident? That's very few wasted labor-hours per worker per year (on average).

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by llbbdd »

torben-friis wrote: post #77
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

Football in Spain is usually sold by what used to be cable tv (now a mix of cable + Netflix-like streaming). Usually to get access to matches you need the most expensive package, which includes a bajillion services and might even be tied to a cell/internet provider. Footbal is their "killer feature" that enables 200 euro subscriptions. They also sell "business access", so pubs can show the match, since going to the b…

This makes sense and the structure is similar to how sports packages are sold on US tv providers. It's getting somewhat better with more sports being streamed on big providers like Amazon but you more or less still have to pay out the ass and have to deal with local/national market exclusivity deals that make certain games unavailable.

I guess the question I'd have then is the economics of the pirate providers; I'm assuming that they have their own infrastructure costs to provide the streams at any level of reliability. Do they charge some nominal amount for access so that people who aren't willing to pay the full 200 euros for the top-tier official package can get just the sports games a la carte?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

krelian wrote: post #79
rwyinuse wrote: post #53

If I ever start watching football, I'll make sure to pirate every match. FIFA, La Liga, they all seem utterly rotten to me.

It will take years before the effect will be felt but I do believe since watching football has become so expensive younger generations are going to watch less of it.

> but I do believe since watching football has become so expensive younger generations are going to watch less of it.

Every now and then we go out to watch some of the finals for the national (Spanish) team, and the audience most of the time lean young still today in 2026, although of course it's very mixed more depending on the bar/restaurant you go to rather than the football itself. Even if the subscription prices are expensive today, affording 4 EUR for two beers during a game in a bar is affordable even to teenagers.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by themafia »

Retr0id wrote: post #101
raincole wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provi…

But copyright law does exist?

The pirates still exist. The legitimate users are punished.

Might as well abandon the law.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by themafia »

jwr wrote: post #9

This is incredibly stupid, but don't laugh at Spaniards: your (and my) lawmakers are equally likely to enact similarly stupid laws. It's mind-boggling how stupid the world can be sometimes.

> how stupid the world can be

This isn't stupidity. It's corruption.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by isodev »

vaylian wrote: post #96
conradfr wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is more likely to enact more censorship than other way.

This. The chat control 2.0 law includes blocking orders. And Ursula von der Leyen tried to introduce internet censorship when she was still in German politics.

You’re forgetting the EU is composed of people elected and appointed by member countries. If you don’t like certain policies - contact your MEPs and express your views. Also go vote during your next election. It’s called a democracy for a reason.
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