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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by scotty79 »

petcat wrote: post #62
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

Basically EU should step in whenever country level government doesn't do a good enough job for its citizens.

It's not strong enough to do that yet but a lot of people with cheap governments wish it was.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by worldsayshi »

avereveard wrote: post #48
electronsoup wrote: post #36

At what point does spanish internet become too unreliable? There was a thread the other day about someone's CI jobs failing due too this.

when connected health device cause a death I guess

What kind of health devices require reliable internet connection to prevent death?

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by em-bee »

petcat wrote: post #62
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

if it interferes with my ability to sell products and services in spain because my website gets blocked as a side-effect, then yes, the EU should care.

for example geo-blocking within the EU is also illegal. if you offer a service or product in any EU country, then anyone in the EU must be allowed to buy it.

among other things this also means that if there is any country in the EU where these sports broadcasts are accessible legally, then spain would not be allowed to block them either.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by adalacelove »

petcat wrote: post #62
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

Yes, it has the authority. There are plenty of EU regulations that states must obey, from fundamental rights to taxation.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by em500 »

avereveard wrote: post #48
electronsoup wrote: post #36

At what point does spanish internet become too unreliable? There was a thread the other day about someone's CI jobs failing due too this.

when connected health device cause a death I guess

I sure hope connected health device makers include some generous tolerance for network outages.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by ciberado »

alfonsodev wrote: post #70
ilaksh wrote: post #39

Can Spaniards work around this with a VPN? I know that causes other issues though. To what degree is it feasible for a startup to move around in Europe? This is the sort of heavy-handed, tech-illiterate, authoritarian activity that might make me seriously consider moving my infrastructure or headquarters if I was a Spanish startup.

IPs are blocked at Spanish internet provider level, the problem would be if you have customers in Spain, but it doesn't matter where you move your infra, if your ip is in one of the affected IP blocks, customers from Spain won't be able to reach no matter in what country is placed (what happened with docker pull )

My Tailscale exit node disagrees ;)

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by tverbeure »

Paratoner wrote: post #60
rapnie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you dub, you can't stop. I'm glad Netherlands doesn't do dubbing. Helps general foreign language profiency, I suppose, and near every Dutch person speaks English quite reasonably.

I never understood this attitude from native speakers towards their own language. I am a fresh NL citizen, and have struggled SO MUCH to assimilate into society largely due to this prevalent mentality of "dutch sux actually, we can all speak english amirite guys??" its so bafflingly self-destructive to your own culture. But go off I guess.

You've probably never watched Indiana Jones speak French... I was forced to when staying for 2 weeks in the south of Belgium as part of a French immersion program. It's unbearable.

When I watch an American movie, I want to hear it the way the director intended it to be. I don't want every villain in every movie have the same voice. If I want to hear Dutch in a movie, I watch a Dutch movie. It's not that deep.

The fact that it helps kids learn a different language is a very nice fringe benefit.

I remember watching an English movie with an incorrect subtitle in school when I was 12, well before my first English class. The whole auditorium laughed because everyone caught the error.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by 0x_rs »

petcat wrote: post #62
0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

> there need to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions Why should other EU members care what websites Spain allows their citizens to access? Does the "EU" even have authority for such a thing?

There's a "European Declaration on Digital Rights and Principles", signed by the member states, and I believe the right to access internet freely, without companies being permitted to mandate entire IP addresses blocks being forbidden from routing and within 30 minutes from the request surely would fit within that one, or others, in some way or another. No company should hold that power and it's a serious precedent others states in the union would want to leverage for their own reasons too. Reading this recent TorrentFreak article, the regulations should probably align with the following thinktank's analysis, at the very least:

>The report makes 12 formal recommendations. The most significant is that IP-based blocking should be avoided altogether, due to its inherent tendency to block large numbers of legitimate service sites. DNS-level or URL-level blocking should be used instead.

https://torrentfreak.com/eu-pirate-site-blocking-is-broken-r...

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by wahnfrieden »

jwr wrote: post #9

This is incredibly stupid, but don't laugh at Spaniards: your (and my) lawmakers are equally likely to enact similarly stupid laws. It's mind-boggling how stupid the world can be sometimes.

It describes hierarchy and power more than it does intelligence
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