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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by DiscourseFan »

chownie wrote: post #299
DiscourseFan wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you talk to the average individual outside of California or NYC about AI, or even Waymos, they will get increasingly irate and start spouting off about “water usage” and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. I hate to say it but you cannot trust “the masses,” Marx never said mob rule, he said rule by the proletarian, the class which…

The masses seem kind of right to be in that mindset, if you consider it from thier point of view for even one second? So, yes RLHF is available right now, for people with specific backgrounds. That RLHF work is temporary and it's going to make hundreds of thousands of people redundant. The RLHF work is actually job-negative, it is work which will later deprive others of a way to make a living. Once that training work…

I want you to trust me when I say that the RLHF work is never drying up.

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Post by DiscourseFan »

palmotea wrote: post #340
DiscourseFan wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you talk to the average individual outside of California or NYC about AI, or even Waymos, they will get increasingly irate and start spouting off about “water usage” and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. I hate to say it but you cannot trust “the masses,” Marx never said mob rule, he said rule by the proletarian, the class which…

> and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. Huh? The jobs aren't going away because a few people can get temp work as traitors to automate away the jobs of their fellows? I suppose that's technically correct (e.g. the there-exists counterexample to a for-all statement), but it totally misses the point. > The masses, without the right un…

All productive labor, profitable labor, involves creating something that reduces labor time. The people who manufactured looms took away the jobs of the weavers

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Post by DiscourseFan »

senordevnyc wrote: post #300
DiscourseFan wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you talk to the average individual outside of California or NYC about AI, or even Waymos, they will get increasingly irate and start spouting off about “water usage” and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. I hate to say it but you cannot trust “the masses,” Marx never said mob rule, he said rule by the proletarian, the class which…

This isn’t my experience at all when talking to non-techies all over the country.

Maybe I have too many encounters with insecure professionals and liberal petite bourgeois

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Post by throwanem »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #284
nsingh2 wrote: post #166

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This kind of sentiment, on its own, is hollow. Just more "violence bad", until the next round. There is growing anger and discontentment in a large part of the population, driven by inequality of wealth and power. Hopelessness and a lack of control over the future. Are the nodes of power willing to spread wealth and control more widely to stabilize the country? What are they willing to do to consolidate their power?…

If you talk to the average individual outside of California or NYC about AI, or even Waymos, they will get increasingly irate and start spouting off about “water usage” and everyone’s jobs getting taken away—as if RLHF contract work is not available to basically anyone with a college degree. I hate to say it but you cannot trust “the masses,” Marx never said mob rule, he said rule by the proletarian, the class which…

Ah, the real Marxist constant finally rears its head. Thank you for so well demonstrating the primitive contempt for humanity which your ideology requires. What a shame none of you has actually read or studied any of that "theory" you prate about.

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Post by chownie »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #411
chownie wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The masses seem kind of right to be in that mindset, if you consider it from thier point of view for even one second? So, yes RLHF is available right now, for people with specific backgrounds. That RLHF work is temporary and it's going to make hundreds of thousands of people redundant. The RLHF work is actually job-negative, it is work which will later deprive others of a way to make a living. Once that training work…

I want you to trust me when I say that the RLHF work is never drying up.

Those who cannot convince, coerce. I don't trust your instinct and it doesn't seem like you can provide any evidence. Shame.

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Post by montjoy »

montjoy wrote: post #364

Somewhere I read that vigilanteism arises when there is a perceived last of justice. This guy gets rich while people everywhere are losing jobs. Seems about right.

I should have been more clear- I’m not endorsing violence- just noticing a probable correlation.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by DiscourseFan »

chownie wrote: post #415
DiscourseFan wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want you to trust me when I say that the RLHF work is never drying up.

Those who cannot convince, coerce. I don't trust your instinct and it doesn't seem like you can provide any evidence. Shame.

Yes well you are trusting your instinct, meanwhile the actual postings for RLHF work keep increasing, and the rates contractors accept keep going up. But who knows, maybe some superAI is going to take all their jobs away soon.

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Post by throwanem »

hackable_sand wrote: post #192
throwanem wrote: post #121

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Brown shirts. I believe "browncoats" refers to a now-extinct space opera fandom from a few decades ago.

Firefly?

That's the one! Space oat opera, I suppose I should have said.

Good grief, I wonder if it's held up. Oh, early Whedon, it's sure to have that "creepier than Tarantino" vibe at times, but maybe it'd be an interesting rewatch. Seeing a young Nathan Fillion is its own reward, certainly.

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Post by littlexsparkee »

glerk wrote: post #384
littlexsparkee wrote: post #214

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- Callous disregard of lost jobs, disinformation, mental health issues / deaths, IP theft, environmental cost, skill atrophy - Barely gave 1% of compute (on oldest chips) to safety team after promise of 20% - Worked behind the scenes to try to land federal deal that gives mil no guardrails control and ability for mass surveillance - Lied about China AI 'Marshall Plan' to get federal funding - Tried to get MBS money e…

I'm just gonna address the first one, don't necessarily disagree with the rest: > Callous disregard of lost jobs, disinformation, mental health issues / deaths, IP theft, environmental cost, skill atrophy ChatGPT is a tool that changed people's lives. OpenAI released something that wasn't perfect, for free, and forced all their competitors to release these products publicly. You can't stop technological progress to p…

It's not about stopping change, it's about a blithe, uncaring attitude about how it affects other people, along with empty assurances of UBI and abundance that we are unlikely to see / distribute broadly. People expect to get shafted and I don't blame them for worrying when you look what happened to the Rust Belt, coal miners in Appalachia, etc.

IP can hurt or help depending on the industry - how do you enable R&D-heavy industries like pharma to recoup costs over time without something like this? I don't see how you incentivize innovation without the concept but I'm open to reforms like not resetting patent timelines for minor tweaks, etc.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

refurb wrote: post #409
bluefirebrand wrote: post #359

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Even at smaller institutes, professors have access to way more networking events than many other people would ever even come close to

I mean this professor does because they put the work in to build a network. Nothing stops the average citizen from organizing and getting similar access to representatives. Instead we get people who don’t even know who their representative is claiming they’re sure the whole system is rigged. It’s not that different than people who claim there are no jobs when they haven’t even applied to any.

> Nothing stops the average citizen from organizing and getting similar access to representatives

I disagree pretty strongly. There are tons of soft power social levers and bureaucratic structures designed exactly to prevent your average Joe from getting access to representatives

Even a comparatively powerful person like a wealthy CEO of a big company often experiences friction trying to get access to public servants. That's why they hire lobbyists whose job it is to get past the friction

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