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Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by bayindirh »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #280
bayindirh wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't trust size and modification time all the time, though mdate is a better indicator, it's not foolprooof. The only reliable way will be checksumming. Interestingly, rclone supports that on many providers, but to be able to backblaze support that, it needs to integrate rclone, connect to the providers via that channel and request checks, which is messy, complicated, and computationally expensive. Even if we co…

If you can’t trust modification time you are doing something so unusual that you probably need to be handling your backups privately anyway.

I don't think so.

Sometimes modification time of a file which is not downloaded on computer A, but modified by computer B is not reflected immediately to computer A.

Henceforth, backup software running on computer A will think that the file has not been modified. This is a known problem in file synchronization. Also, some applications modifying the files revert or protect the mtime of the file for reasons. They are rare, but they're there.

Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by lelandfe »

embedding-shape wrote: post #173
lelandfe wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas, "isn't so developed" applies to the US: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/cox-slows-intern... My parents have gotten hit by this. Dad was downloading huge video files at one point on his WiFi and his ISP silently throttled him. A common term is "data cap": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cap

> Alas, "isn't so developed" applies to the US Wow, I knew that was generally true, didn't know it was true for internet access in the US too, how backwards... > A common term is "data cap": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cap I think most are familiar with throttling because most (all?) phone plans have some data cap at one point, but I don't think I've heard of any broadband connections here with data caps, that…

Our ISPs conspire to avoid competition (AKA "overbuilding") and so stuff like this just festers. It's truly a shame.

Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by conception »

balderdash wrote: post #257

not helpful for non-mac users, but i really like the way arq separates the backup utility from the backup location. I feel like the the reason backblaze did this was to save money on "unlimited" storage and the associated complexity of cloud storage locations.

Arq is on windows now!

Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by NetMageSCW »

peteforde wrote: post #203

Weirdly, reading this had the net impact of me signing up to Backblaze. I had no idea that it was such a good bargain. I used to be a Crashplan user back in the day, and I always thought Backblaze had tiered limits. I've been using Duplicati to sync a lot of data to S3's cheapest tape-based long term storage tier. It's a serious pain in the ass because it takes hours to queue up and retrieve a file. It's a heavy enou…

If you don’t really want backups you can save a lot more money by not signing up for Backblaze.

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Post by cestith »

embedding-shape wrote: post #173
lelandfe wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas, "isn't so developed" applies to the US: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/cox-slows-intern... My parents have gotten hit by this. Dad was downloading huge video files at one point on his WiFi and his ISP silently throttled him. A common term is "data cap": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cap

> Alas, "isn't so developed" applies to the US Wow, I knew that was generally true, didn't know it was true for internet access in the US too, how backwards... > A common term is "data cap": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_cap I think most are familiar with throttling because most (all?) phone plans have some data cap at one point, but I don't think I've heard of any broadband connections here with data caps, that…

I have 5 Gbps symmetric at home. I and my fiancee both work from home, so our backup fiber connection from another provider is 2 Gbps. We can also both tether to cell phones if necessary. We can get 5G home wireless Internet here, too, and we might ditch our 2 Gbps line in favor of that as a backup. We moved from Texas back home to Illinois last year, and one of the biggest considerations was who had service at what tiers due to remote work. Some of the houses we looked at in the same three-county area in the Chicago suburbs didn’t even have 5G home available (not from AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile anyway).

My parents have 5G wireless home as their primary connection, and that was only introduced in their area a couple of years ago. Before that, they could get dial-up, 512 kbps wireless with about a $1000 startup cost, ISDN (although the phone company really didn’t want to sell it to them), Starlink, or HughesNet. The folks across the asphalt road from them had 20 Mbps Ethernet over power lines years ago, and that’s now I think 250 Mbps. It’s a different power company, though, so they aren’t eligible.

Around 80% of the US population lives in large urban areas. The other 20% of the population range from smaller towns to living many kilometers from any town at all. There’s a lot of land in the US.

Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by NetMageSCW »

hiisukun wrote: post #176

I think the target of the anger here should be (at least in part): OneDrive. My understanding is that a modern, default onedrive setup will push all your onedrive folder contents to the cloud, but will not do the same in reverse -- it's totally possible to have files in your cloud onedrive, visible in your onedrive folder, but that do not exist locally. If you want to access such a file, it typically gets downloaded…

If you want to access your file, it gets downloaded. If Backblaze wants to check if your file has been changed, it doesn’t need to have the file downloaded - that’s what modification time is for. And file size.

Re: Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others

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Post by NetMageSCW »

simplyinfinity wrote: post #138
venzaspa wrote: post #22

On the topic of backing up data from cloud platforms such as Onedrive, I suspect this is stop the client machine from actively downloading 'files on demand' which are just pointers in explorer until you go to open them. If you've got huge amounts of files in Onedrive and the backup client starts downloading everyone of them (before it can reupload them again) you're going to run into problems. But ideally, they'd giv…

Came here to say this. Files in OneDrive get removed from your local storage and are downloaded ON DEMAND. given that you can have 1TB+ onedrive folder, backblaze downloading all of that is gonna throttle your connection and fill up your disk real fast.

No reason for that to be true.
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