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Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

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Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#101
Some people are just really good at leveraging others. Leverage enough other people, and you can get rich and or powerful.

And the more you leverage, the more you get.

A lot of current powerful people got lucky at one key moment (often involving imaginary money and hype applied to the stock market). And once they got their big level up, they suddenly became visionaries. That includes some of the more outspoken people that many HN readers idolize.

Many of those people believe their own bullshit, partly because they naturally are insulated within a group of sycophants (who are either groupies or usually looking for a lift up to a level of stature they don’t deserve).

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#102
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You are still falling for the evil genius trap. The truth is all of us treat our fellow humans this way, see Singer's drowning child. We're simply not wired to care as much about even large groups of people when they are not people we regularly interact with.

> The truth is all of us treat our fellow humans this way. Nah, I think it is more common of a cultural thing in individualistic societies. I know plenty of people who are worried about the future outlook of others they have never met. For example what phones and social media is doing to our children, or the state of the economy for young people.

I really don't think the collectivist societies are that far ahead. People just invent out groups. India's castes, China's Uyghur's, Japan's castes and treatment of Korea and China, etc. Religious out groups, ethnic out groups, cultural out groups, linguistic out groups, etc. The list is just as long.

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#103

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Has Elon done dumb shit though? He's still winning, it couldn't have been that dumb.

Indeed I would bet he knew he would lose money on Twitter but did it anyway.

He tried to back out of the purchase after signing an agreement, but was forced to buy it for $44b in the end.

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#104
post #12

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You are still falling for the evil genius trap. The truth is all of us treat our fellow humans this way, see Singer's drowning child. We're simply not wired to care as much about even large groups of people when they are not people we regularly interact with.

Where did the above commenter say “genius?” Evil is boring because it is so usual. With the small power I’m given I choose not to recycle, I jaywalk, I say the “R” word in private conversation. If I were a line manager I would play favorites and skip mentorship opportunities if I were tired or busy. As a middle manager I might forget the names of some of my indirect reports and unwittingly pit teams against each othe…

whats the R word

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#105
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> That’s probably because we know consciously or subconsciously that in order to get and maintain a position of power at a multibillion dollar firm the person either never had a moral compass or quickly had to find ways to justify ignoring or compromising it. Maybe. But I suspect that we tend to view those people that way because they play the I Am A Special Human game in public, especially around those they want to…

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"I have no doubt any other western country would do the same if 1000s of their civilian citizens including children were kidnapped and murdered."

So this is how you expect the rest of the world to treat the US? Just torture and murder their civilians and erase their homes and culture?

The US killed, maimed and displaced many millions of iraqis, should we help the iraqis exterminate the US population?

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#106
The main goal of Napoleon's invasion of Russia was to beat their military in a decisive battle long before reaching Moscow, forcing Alexander to comply with the continental system - a European trade embargo created by Napoleon to weaken the British Empire who have been hostile toward France since long before the French revolution. Alexander signed this trade embargo during the treaty of Tilsit of 1807, and had been breaking the treaty for years by allowing trade with the British.

The Russians did intend to fight, and set up redoubts several times close to the invading army, but would always retreat when the Grande Armée approached. The military leadership in Russia was very indecisive, caught up in internal rivalries and disagreements. It didn't help that a large part of their military leadership was German. Aside from small skirmishes, they only gave battle once they were practically standing at the doorstep of Moscow, in the battle of Borodino.

The 400,000 dead soldiers died mostly to disease. Recent studies have found evidence of Borrelia Recurrentis which causes a form of relapsing fever. The western soldiers wouldn't have had any exposure to this bacteria before, so they were particularly weak to it. It was also exceptionally hot during the summer while they were invading (when the majority of soldiers died), which contributed to spread of disease and exhausting the horses. Disease and dying horses did way more damage to the Grande Armée than the Russian military did.

The campaign was a military disaster (though the people at home might not be aware, due to slow information flow and propaganda), but it was not without aim, and it was not obvious to anyone that 70% of the army would die to disease before a single major battle.

I appreciate that you at least didn't propagate the myth that Napoleon invaded in the winter, or that he lost because Kutuzov "outsmarted" him by giving him free passage to Moscow and burning it down.

> There’s a particular kind of person who can’t accept that story at face value

I would hope that the majority of readers here are taking the story with a huge pinch of salt. Napoleon's invasion of Russia is one of the most misunderstood events in modern history. Maybe that's why it's so popular to use it as an anecdote - because it can be molded to mean whatever you like, and people probably won't question you.

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#107

It wasn't the Russian winter, but Kutuzov's genius.

Kutuzov's genius of repeatedly pulling back until the Grande Armee was standing at the doorstep of their ancient capital, fighting one of the most stubborn battles in the Napoleonic era, yet loosing significantly more men than their attackers, and finally backing off, to behind their capital, allowing it to be plundered and burnt down during the occupation? (The city didn't burn down in a day, but a series of fires occurred almost every day until the Grande Armee left). Even when the attackers were retreating, he was still indecisive.

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

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The challenge with the world is that it requires nuance, ad hoc thinking, and effortful thinking. The human brain doesn't like putting effort into thinking. It's uncomfortable. It's easier for us to just have one rule, one heuristic, that we can simply apply to many similar situations. This is why ideology exists and is so powerful. You can always find people chanting the same phrase or slogan, over and over, regardl…

I though the 4D chess explanation was that he bought it (was forced to buy it by courts) because he was entering politics and wanted to be able to ensure the deaths of half a million children in Africa: https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=inte... It looks like he succeeded wildly at that.

There is a better 4D chess explanation of why Alon bought twitter and i hate to bring it.

When he bought it, right wing publications all over world got excited because twitter was the global / official communications channel for alot of entities and largely considered left leaning. When your plan is to disrupt that bubble and amplify right leaning narratives (he helped trump1 getting elected with it), you better cover your tracks and make that purchase look like an accident.

Re: Sometimes powerful people just do dumb shit

#110

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I though the 4D chess explanation was that he bought it (was forced to buy it by courts) because he was entering politics and wanted to be able to ensure the deaths of half a million children in Africa: https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=inte... It looks like he succeeded wildly at that.

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Your overly simplistic graph about population growth omits steady falling birth rates and more importantly, why they are falling.

But why should i explain when your mind is occupied with africa when mentioned in a side note and that it comes with an article opening like this

> To understand what’s at stake regarding the Mediterranean

... occupied with africa and implying harmful migration without ever basing it.

But a cheap 100 year projection expressed _in a single graph_ in a way does fit into a conversation about overconfident stupid people.

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