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In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by delusional »

SoftTalker wrote: post #11

Denmark is a poor location for solar. They are pretty far north and don't have a lot of sunny days that are good for solar generation. When they do, those peaks drive energy prices negative. From the article: Over the next 10 years, the official expectation is a very large rise in the amount of solar produced. But that kind of clashes with the reality on the ground – they can’t make money

That's a terrible argument on the face of it. "They can't make any energy, but also they make so much energy they can't use it all".

I actually live in Denmark, and we can produce solar energy just fine. My dad installed rooftop solar 10 years ago, and that thing has 90% of his electricity usage since then. It's still producing at around 85% capacity too.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by darth_avocado »

SoftTalker wrote: post #14
darth_avocado wrote: post #13

This would’ve been a non issue if human beings worked together as a species, but we don’t. There is plenty of space on the planet where no one lives and nothing thrives that could be converted massive solar farms that power the planet.

Transmitting that energy from where nobody lives to where people do live becomes the problem with that.

> Transmitting that energy from where nobody lives to where people do live becomes the problem with that.

That’s kind of what we do today for pretty much everything. Most of the population on the planet doesn’t live near oil rigs, refineries, solar farms, power plants or wind. In fact most of the population doesn’t live near where we produce our food or most of the things we need for survival.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by ddellacosta »

testing22321 wrote: post #30
dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

100% It also presents the draw man that solar can only go in huge fields that would otherwise grow food. There are plenty of rooftops and car parks that can be covered in solar to excellent benefit. Ie https://www.eventplanner.net/news/10582_largest-solar-carpor...

> It also presents the draw man that solar can only go in huge fields that would otherwise grow food.

> There are plenty of rooftops and car parks that can be covered in solar to excellent benefit.

It's worth calling this approach out too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrivoltaics

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by karamanolev »

crooked-v wrote: post #15
tensor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power grids of US states are similarly linked. Very dirty.

Except for Texas, which decided as a state that avoiding federal regulation was worth people dying every winter from power outages.

I'm not a fan of Texan electrical isolationism, but "people dying every winter from power outages" is stretching it a bit...

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by ceejayoz »

karamanolev wrote: post #35
crooked-v wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for Texas, which decided as a state that avoiding federal regulation was worth people dying every winter from power outages.

I'm not a fan of Texan electrical isolationism, but "people dying every winter from power outages" is stretching it a bit...

Every winter is a stretch, yes.

But they did get a big warning shot in 1989 and 2011, and ignored those lessons for cost reasons. A couple hundred people died.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by zolland »

dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

The satellite photos of Hjolderup look worse than the photos in the article to me... the photos in the article seem like a fair representation of the consequences of installing solar fields like this--your house and town end up surrounded by solar panels.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by dathinab »

darth_avocado wrote: post #13

This would’ve been a non issue if human beings worked together as a species, but we don’t. There is plenty of space on the planet where no one lives and nothing thrives that could be converted massive solar farms that power the planet.

look at satellite images of Denmark or the village in question

- that village is the exception, not the norm at all

- that village is in a "small" (on agricultural scale) strip of solar panels, around which there are green fields over green fields over green field ....

- the photos are deceptive, the first is from the start of the strip to the end and contains the huge majority of all solar panels in like a 50km? 100km? radius. The second photo does not show the village but a separate house up the street, if the photo where in a bit more flat angle you would see a normal filed behind the solar panels. The village itself has a "strip" of (small) green fields around it which should make it less bad to live there.

I mean don't get me wrong it probably sucks for the home owners in Hjolderup. But it's not representative for the situation in Denmark at all.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by soco »

mort96 wrote: post #28
dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

I can't even read it because you either have to accept all tracking or pay a subscription fee. Pretty sure that's against the GDPR? Anyway, not a good look.

Isn't GDPR an EU thing?
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