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In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by dathinab »

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US

the images in the article looks bad

until you take a short look at satellite images and realize:

- it's not the norm but the exception

- the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way,

and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally efficiently usable land). And many old "culturally" protected houses where fitting solar on top of it is far more complicated/inefficient. Don't get me wrong it isn't the only special case, but there are very many countries which don't really have such issues.

Also quite interestingly this "iron fields" can be "not bad" from a nature perspective, at least compared to mono-culture with pesticide usage. Due to the plant and animal live below them. Through that is assuming people do extra steps to prevent that live.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by ahartmetz »

SoftTalker wrote: post #14
darth_avocado wrote: post #13

This would’ve been a non issue if human beings worked together as a species, but we don’t. There is plenty of space on the planet where no one lives and nothing thrives that could be converted massive solar farms that power the planet.

Transmitting that energy from where nobody lives to where people do live becomes the problem with that.

It could possibly be combined with a solution to the storage problem: store the energy in some transportable chemical form like hydrogen, methane or the electrolyte of a redox flow battery.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by dathinab »

SoftTalker wrote: post #11

Denmark is a poor location for solar. They are pretty far north and don't have a lot of sunny days that are good for solar generation. When they do, those peaks drive energy prices negative. From the article: Over the next 10 years, the official expectation is a very large rise in the amount of solar produced. But that kind of clashes with the reality on the ground – they can’t make money

from the article which uses intentionally deceptive photography angles to paint a very different picture, yes

more interesting is, if that is actually true. Or only true because idk. the investors also bought the land and they profits are used to amortize the land buying cost etc.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by SoftTalker »

ahartmetz wrote: post #22
SoftTalker wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transmitting that energy from where nobody lives to where people do live becomes the problem with that.

It could possibly be combined with a solution to the storage problem: store the energy in some transportable chemical form like hydrogen, methane or the electrolyte of a redox flow battery.

Yeah possibly. Synthetic hydrocarbon fuel that's already compatible with transportation infrastructure and energy consumers might be the best bet.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by Flavius »

We currently use vast amounts of land growing corn and other crops specifically for biodiesel. Solar panels produce over 100x more energy per hectare than corn ethanol, even in countries like Denmark with limited sunlight. It makes perfect sense to repurpose some biofuel farmland for solar panels. That's just efficient land use, not an attack on agriculture.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by mellosouls »

dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

"not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US"

Its the Guardian so that is a very unlikely motivation.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by mort96 »

dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

I can't even read it because you either have to accept all tracking or pay a subscription fee. Pretty sure that's against the GDPR? Anyway, not a good look.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by Sharlin »

SoftTalker wrote: post #14
darth_avocado wrote: post #13

This would’ve been a non issue if human beings worked together as a species, but we don’t. There is plenty of space on the planet where no one lives and nothing thrives that could be converted massive solar farms that power the planet.

Transmitting that energy from where nobody lives to where people do live becomes the problem with that.

Building HVDC lines from North Africa to Europe, for example, wouldn't be a huge feat of civil engineering. Rather standard stuff, really.

Re: In Denmark, the spread of solar panels has become a divisive issue

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Post by testing22321 »

dathinab wrote: post #21

not buying that this isn't anti renewable propaganda for the US the images in the article looks bad until you take a short look at satellite images and realize: - it's not the norm but the exception - the photos are made to make it look maximally bad in a deceptive/manipulative way, and that is even in context, that Denmark is a special case in that it both quite small and has little "dead" (not agriculturally effici…

100%

It also presents the draw man that solar can only go in huge fields that would otherwise grow food.

There are plenty of rooftops and car parks that can be covered in solar to excellent benefit.

Ie https://www.eventplanner.net/news/10582_largest-solar-carpor...

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