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Servo is now available on crates.io

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Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by rafaelmn »

mort96 wrote: post #54
rafaelmn wrote: post #48

This should be the real benchmark of AI coding skills - how fast do we get safe/modern infrastructure/tooling that everyone agrees we need but nobody can fund the development. If Anthropic wants marketing for Mythos without publishing it - show us servo contrib log or something like that. It aligns nicely with their fundamental infrastructure safety goals. I'd trust that way more than x% increase on y bench. Hire a c…

We do not need vibe-coded critical infrastructure.

If you're trusting core contributors without AI I don't see why you wouldn't trust them with it.

Hiring a few core devs to work on it should be a rounding error to Anthropic and a huge flex if they are actually able to deliver.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by bawolff »

falcor84 wrote: post #55
mort96 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not need vibe-coded critical infrastructure.

As I see it, the focus should not be about the coding, but about the testing, and particularly the security evaluation. Particularly for critical infrastructure, I would want us to have a testing approach that is so reliable that it wouldn't matter who/what wrote the code.

I dont think that will ever be possible.

At some point security becomes - the program does the thing the human wanted it to do but didn't realize they didn't actually want.

No amount of testing can fix logic bugs due to bad specification.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by the__alchemist »

apitman wrote: post #24

> As you can see from the version number, this release is not a 1.0 release. In fact, we still haven’t finished discussing what 1.0 means for Servo Wait, crate versions go up to 1.0? EDIT: Sorry, while crate stability may be an interesting conversation, this isn't the place for it. But I can't delete this comment. Please downvote it. Mods feel free to delete or demote it.

Hey - Many rust libraries adopt [0-based versioning](https://0ver.org/). That link can describe it more elegantly than I.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by the__alchemist »

moron4hire wrote: post #50
jaapz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.x is not that you don't want people depending on it, you just don't want them to come and complain when you quickly introduce some breaking changes. The project is still in development, it might be stable enough for use in "real projects(tm)", but it might also still significantly change. It is up to the user to decide whether they are OK with this. 1.x communicates (to me at least) you are pretty happy with the cu…

If you are at the point that other people can use your software, then you should use v1. If you are not ready for v1, then you shouldn't be releasing to other people. Because this comment, "The project is still in development, it might be stable enough for use in "real projects(tm)", but it might also still significantly change." That describes every project. Every project is always in development. Every project is s…

I think we can come up with a reason why bumping the version number each breaking change isn't an elegant solution either: You would end up with version numbers in the hundreds or thousands.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by px43 »

mort96 wrote: post #57
falcor84 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I see it, the focus should not be about the coding, but about the testing, and particularly the security evaluation. Particularly for critical infrastructure, I would want us to have a testing approach that is so reliable that it wouldn't matter who/what wrote the code.

I disagree. Thorough testing provides some level of confidence that the code is correct, but there's immense value in having infrastructure which some people understand because they wrote it. No amount of process around your vibe slop can provide that.

That's just status quo, which isn't really holding up in the modern era IMO.

I'm sure we'll have vibed infrastructure and slow infrastructure, and one of them will burn down more frequently. Only time will tell who survives the onslaught and who gets dropped, but I personally won't be making any bets on slow infrastructure.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by scrame »

simonw wrote: post #39

Here's a vibe-coded "servo-shot" CLI tool which uses this crate to render an image of a web page: https://github.com/simonw/research/tree/main/servo-crate-exp... git clone https://github.com/simonw/research cd research/servo-crate-exploration/servo-shot cargo build ./target/debug/servo-shot https://news.ycombinator.com/ Here's the image it generated: https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2cb4fcb15b0837bbc4540c3d398c...

That's pretty cool. I'm guessing it would need some tweaking to handle things like cookies, or does it just need a pointer to the cookiejar? I'm not too familiar with servo,

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by scrame »

mort96 wrote: post #54
rafaelmn wrote: post #48

This should be the real benchmark of AI coding skills - how fast do we get safe/modern infrastructure/tooling that everyone agrees we need but nobody can fund the development. If Anthropic wants marketing for Mythos without publishing it - show us servo contrib log or something like that. It aligns nicely with their fundamental infrastructure safety goals. I'd trust that way more than x% increase on y bench. Hire a c…

We do not need vibe-coded critical infrastructure.

Unfortunately we're going to get it whether or not we need it.

Re: Servo is now available on crates.io

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Post by nicoburns »

rafaelmn wrote: post #48

This should be the real benchmark of AI coding skills - how fast do we get safe/modern infrastructure/tooling that everyone agrees we need but nobody can fund the development. If Anthropic wants marketing for Mythos without publishing it - show us servo contrib log or something like that. It aligns nicely with their fundamental infrastructure safety goals. I'd trust that way more than x% increase on y bench. Hire a c…

> show us servo contrib log or something like that

Servo may not be the best project for this experiment, as it has a strict no-AI contributions allowed policy.

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