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Is math big or small?

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Re: Is math big or small?

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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale. I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analo…

Totally agree. I really enjoyed the article, and the illustrations are really cool but scale is just something I don’t even consider. Even the very first question baffled me, when it said “Picture a torus. Is it big or small?” I answered an unambiguous “yes”. Also, we haven’t defined measure yet here have we? What does it even mean for something to have scale without measure?

> Also, we haven’t defined measure yet here have we?

Kilograms, obviously.

Re: Is math big or small?

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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale. I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analo…

I propose a further and different "key to understanding."

I would add: the second thing to decide, besides the scale, is the Plan.

What do we mean, for example, by the "Ethical Plan." By ethical plan, I mean the purpose... "WHAT do I use mathematics for"?

Mathematics can be something immensely BIG if I use it for something important. Or it can be miserably SMALL if I use it for something petty and trivial.

In short: even in this case, greatness depends not only on the scale, but also on the eyes of the beholder, on the Context in which it is applied, and, why not?, also on the Purpose and the ethical plan.

If mathematics were, for example, something at the service of Justice, it would be something immensely Big.

Re: Is math big or small?

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A first-year physics teacher once told the class something that stuck with me (paraphrasing): "Nothing is big or small by itself. I want you to always follow these words with 'compared to ...'".

Re: Is math big or small?

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post #15
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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale. I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analo…

I propose a further and different "key to understanding." I would add: the second thing to decide, besides the scale, is the Plan . What do we mean, for example, by the "Ethical Plan." By ethical plan, I mean the purpose... "WHAT do I use mathematics for" ? Mathematics can be something immensely BIG if I use it for something important. Or it can be miserably SMALL if I use it for something petty and trivial. In short…

It sounds like you ain't a fan of recreational mathematics?

Re: Is math big or small?

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post #16

A first-year physics teacher once told the class something that stuck with me (paraphrasing): "Nothing is big or small by itself. I want you to always follow these words with 'compared to ...'".

She: It's not that big.

He: I think we can agree everything below the average between a Planck length and the size of the observable universe is objectively small, and everything above is objectively large. Using the geometric mean, that average is about 0.12 mm. Therefore my penis is actually large.

She: I shouldn't have married a physicist.

Re: Is math big or small?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also deep, it goes all the way to the bottom. > The world of mathematics is both broad and deep, and we need birds and frogs working together to explore it. -- Freeman Dyson

Weird Things Happen When Math Gets Too Expressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwQsvof7Hw Peano arithmetic is sufficiently expressive enough to be equivalent to any possible future theory of mathematics.

Err? Peano Arithmetic is provably consistent in ZFC, but it is not in itself (if PA is consistent). Therefore if PA is consistent it is not equivalent to ZFC (regardless of whether ZFC is consistent or not)

Re: Is math big or small?

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post #16

A first-year physics teacher once told the class something that stuck with me (paraphrasing): "Nothing is big or small by itself. I want you to always follow these words with 'compared to ...'".

She: It's not that big. He: I think we can agree everything below the average between a Planck length and the size of the observable universe is objectively small, and everything above is objectively large. Using the geometric mean, that average is about 0.12 mm. Therefore my penis is actually large. She: I shouldn't have married a physicist.

Average? So around half the size of the observable universe?
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