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Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#302Heh, lucky you, at least you get a message. My ISP just drops traffic to the affected IPs. No ping, no traceroute, just a spinner in the browser until it says "page not found". Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that…
> Every response and comment from LaLiga, the football organization responsible for this, has been so far that this is a minor issue that only affects a few bunch of nerds who talk about "docker images" or "github repositories" or "whatever that means".
Translation: go away kid, we're trying to make money here.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If LaLiga starts abusing this power to attack competitors or do anything malicious they will lose that power instantly. Because everything demonstrated so far has suggested that LaLiga is reasonable and measured? Courts exist for many reasons, among them that we do not trust plaintiffs to always be right or reasonable. By way of demonstrating that such power is unacceptable, it sounds like LaLiga is also trying to…
>By way of demonstrating that such power is unacceptable, it sounds like LaLiga is also trying to get Spanish ISPs to block all VPNs whenever a game is on. What LaLiga did was get some VPN providers (NordVPN and ProtonVPN) to start blocking pirate streaming websites. They're not trying to block VPNs themselves unless there's other news I didn't find.
And, presumably, if they don't comply with that unreasonable order, they'll next try to get local ISPs to block the entire VPN provider, just as they did with Cloudflare. Repeat as long as there are usable VPN providers.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47739695
It is not the job of an intermediary ISP or VPN to help construct a country-wide firewall. If a company wants to go after streaming sites, go take down the streaming site. If the streaming site is out of its jurisdiction, talk to the other jurisdiction. If the that jurisdiction does not care, give up and lose.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work with actually malicious content (things that make people lose their life savings) and Cloudflare abuse is relatively helpful (compared to most ISPs who just don't care). They just refuse to take down random things that some media company representatives send their way, without a court order or any oversight. And this is a good thing.
Can you qualify "relatively helpful"? If you send them a ransomware site, a person looks at it, and still demand a court order... A company like them should know the scale at which these things are run, and that courts can't keep up with the speed. >And this is a good thing. Disagree. Demanding a court order for every single clear-cut case of infringement reported by the rightful owner of ephemeral content that is a…
> for every single clear-cut case of infringement
Clear-cut by whose judgement? Surely not the plaintiff, who has demonstrated no care for collateral damage. Witness the many, many fraudulent DMCA takedowns that are regularly sent, for a demonstration of what happens when prospective plaintiffs are given a power of "guilty until proven innocent".
> causing nearly a billion dollar of losses
I thought we were long past people believing the funny-money fake numbers claiming every download is a lost sale.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…
If this is done at the DNS level, run your own DNS. If not, use a VPN. Taking this to the courts is a long term solution, but in the short term you want to act on your own to evade censorship and oppression.
> run your own DNS
Can you expand on that? How would you go about running your own DNS that wouldn't be affected by football leagues?
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#306Is it exclusively football or do they try to fight piracy this way for some other major streaming events? I am just curious, because it's just comical to go this far over some dumb ball-game.
It's just football. Once the game is over they revert the block
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#307They block the whole of Cloudflare R2, I believe the Docker hub is just (heh) a collateral. When the La Liga match starts, everything that's proxied via CF (including zero access reverse tunnels) stops working. There's even a website made for checking if the match is on: https://hayahora.futbol/ You can check if your host is affected: https://hayahora.futbol/#comprobador&domain=docker-images-pr...
Who exactly is blocking and on what legal base? If it's Spanish ISPs and they are massively over blocking, why are there no legal actions against them? (E.g. for not fulfilling their contracts)
Football lobby is strong in Spanish political system. It's legal
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#308Reading this from India, where stuff like this is pretty much Tuesday business. But that’s not the problem; the problem is precisely the one hour of your life spent trying to figure out whether the issue is your DNS, your VPN, your configuration, or your programming. “The government in the country I’m accessing this from just decided to shut down my IP for the next two hours” rarely crosses your mind.
India has consistently been at the top of the number of Internet blackouts anywhere in the world for years (Access Now keeps track of this through its KeepItOn project). These tend to be brief and localized, triggered by something as mundane as an exam or protest or local incident. It’s such a routine occurrence here that there’s even a reflexive response: mobile data works differently from other connectivity types, so go with that, try new DNS settings, rely on Telegram instead of WhatsApp when the latter fails you, and always have a list of mirrors.
What’s fascinating about this case is that it’s identical except for who is pressing the button LaLiga, a privately owned entity, in place of the government.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
This must negatively impact a huge number of businesses. Is there no move for them to all get together to take legal action against LaLiga to stop them doing this?
This is the country that takes a 2 hour nap every day. They also have a sleeping contest every year with a winner and everything. And Spain isn't hot like Mexico where folks take 2 hours off in the topically heat and make it up for it in the evening because that's more efficient.
Have you ever spoken to a person from Spain?
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, it won't accomplish anything. La Liga seems to have enough political power in the country to bury all of that. Probably bribing everyone involved.
Corruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?
FIFA makes the mafia look like a bake sale committee