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Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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Boris, you're seeing a ton of anecdotes here and Claude has done something that has affected a bunch of their most fervent users. Jeff Bezos famously said that if the anecdotes are contradicting the metrics, then the metrics are measuring the wrong things. I suggest you take the anecdotes here seriously and figure out where/why the metrics are wrong.

We are taking it seriously, and are continuing to investigate. We are not trusting the metrics.

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Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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I did my (out of the ordinary) taxes this year using agents, kind of as an experiment and kind of to save ~$750. Opus 4.6 max in CC, 5.4 xhigh in codex, and 3.1 high in antigravity. All on the $20/mo plans. I have a day job, a side business, actively trade shares options and futures, and have a few energy credit items. All were given the same copied folder containing all the needed documents to compose the return, an…

My taxes are rather complex, so I ran the same exercise to see if Claude agreed with my accountant. An automated second opinion, so to speak. Spent about 6 minutes analyzing all the PDFs and basically nailed it perfectly in one shot.

My only point here is it sure seems the same activity / use case can have wildly different results across sessions or users. Customer support and product development in the age of non-deterministic software is a strange, strange beast.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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Haha. yeah my eyes glazed over immediately on the issue. Absolutely this was someone telling their Claude Code to investigate why they ran out of tokens and open the issue. Good chance it's not real or misdiagnosed. But it gives me some degree of schadenfreude to see it happening to the Claude Code repo.

And you think companies aren't doing the same back to us? Are you sure you're speaking to a human?

Its your claude speaking to their claude, which is fair, but it makes this whole discussion a bit dumb since we are basically talking about two bots arguing with each other.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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How is any of what you wrote relevant? People aren't using Claude for the first time and hitting rate limits. They've been using Claude for months, at the very least, and they're hitting rate limits without significant changes to how they prompt.

> People need to understand a few things: vague questions make the models roam endlessly “exploring” dead ends.

> If people were considerably more willing to aggressively prune their context and scope tasks well, they could get a lot more done with it

If this were the problem, people would've encountered this when they started using Claude. The problem is not that they can't get anything done. It's being able to get things done for months, but suddenly hitting rate limits way too easily and response quality being clearly degraded, so they can't get things done that used to be possible.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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Claude Code is the most prompt cache-efficient harness, I think. The issue is more that the larger the context window, the higher the cost of a cache miss.

That might be, but the argument was that poor cache utilization was costing Anthropic too much money in other harnesses. If cache is considered in rate limits, it doesn’t matter from a cost perspective, you’ll just hit your rate limits faster in other harnesses that don’t try to cache optimize.

There were two issues with some other 3p harnesses:

1. Poor cache utilization. I put up a few PRs to fix these in OpenClaw, but the problem is their users update to new versions very slowly, so the vast majority of requests continued to use cache inefficiently.

2. Spiky traffic. A number of these harnesses use un-jittered cron, straining services due to weird traffic shape. Same problem -- it's patched, but users upgrade slowly.

We tried to fix these, but in the end, it's not something we can directly influence on users' behalf, and there will likely be more similar issues in the future. If people want to use these they are welcome to, but subscriptions clients need to be more efficient than that.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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I started seeing "not a malware, continuing" in almost every reply since around 2 weeks ago. Maybe you just reintroduced it with some regression? Opus 4.6

That's weird. Would you mind running /feedback and sharing the id here next time you see this? I'd love to debug

I’ve seen this a couple of times recently. Including right after compact. I’ll /feedback it next time I see it

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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Hey all, Boris from the Claude Code team here. We've been investigating these reports, and a few of the top issues we've found are: 1. Prompt cache misses when using 1M token context window are expensive. Since Claude Code uses a 1 hour prompt cache window for the main agent, if you leave your computer for over an hour then continue a stale session, it's often a full cache miss. To improve this, we have shipped a few…

Where can i learn about concepts like prompt cache misses? I don't have a mental model how that interacts with my context of 1M or 400k tokens... I can cargo cult follow instructions of course but help us understand if you can so we can intelligently adapt our behavior. Thanks.

The docs are a good place to start: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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We vote here on HN and it's much more effective. Anyone from Anthropic reading conversations on HN like this one can be scared. We'll jump ship if they don't address such glaring issues.

There are MANY accounts of claude degradation (intelligence, limits) over the past week on reddit and here with many posts describing people moving. Nothing is changing. You'd think they'd at least give a statement.

People need to start cancelling their subscriptions. That's the only language these companies understand.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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For me, iterating with Claude begins to degrade at 200k context used, by 350k it’s crossed-fingers time, by 500k it’s essentially useless. Starting a fresh context after 300k is usually the best move imho. I wonder if people are hitting a case where Claude becomes both dumb and increasingly more expensive, essentially a doom loop.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

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Hey all, Boris from the Claude Code team here. We've been investigating these reports, and a few of the top issues we've found are: 1. Prompt cache misses when using 1M token context window are expensive. Since Claude Code uses a 1 hour prompt cache window for the main agent, if you leave your computer for over an hour then continue a stale session, it's often a full cache miss. To improve this, we have shipped a few…

You've created quite a conundrum.

The only people who are going to run into issues are superpower users who are running this excessively beyond any reasonable measure.

Most people are going to be quite happy with your service. But at the same time, and this is just a human nature thing people are 10 times more likely we complain about an issue than to compliment something working well.

I don't know how to fix this, but I strongly suspect this isn't really a technical issue. It's more of a customer support one.

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