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Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by joshstrange »

deaux wrote: post #187
joshstrange wrote: post #185

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This is exactly my point. At what point does it become a ToS violation? Right now it's a huge grey area and the idea of getting my account banned because I crossed an invisible line with zero recourse other than to switch providers is... frustrating.

It's pretty easy to read between the lines tbh. Personal, non-automated use is fine. Using it as a means to automate depleting your 5-hour limit 24/7 ("leftover usage") is not fine. They don't want to put in in the ToS because it's almost impossible because writing what I just said will still have people going "well what's automated, where's the exact line!" when it's all pretty clear what the intended use case here…

That "non-automated" part is where I feel like there is a lack of clarity. They even have some stuff in to allow for scheduling in Claude Code. Seems similar to a cron but "non-automated" would rule out using a cron (right?). I'd love to feel comfortable setting up daily/hourly tasks for Claude Code but that feels iffy. Like I said, I don't think the line is clear.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by plusplusungood »

Zetaphor wrote: post #102
cedws wrote: post #84

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There’s the argument that Anthropic has built Claude Code to use the models efficiently, which the subscription pricing is based on. Maybe there’s some truth to that, but then why haven’t OpenAI made the same move? I believe the main reason is platform control. Anthropic can’t survive as a pipeline for tokens, they need to build and control a platform, which means aggressively locking out everybody else building a pl…

Alternatively products like openclaw have an outsized impact on Anthropic's infrastructure for essentially no benefit to them. Especially when you're taking advantage of the $200 plan. OpenAI has never shyed away from burning mountains of cash to try and capture a little more market share. They paid a billion dollars for a vibe coded mess just for the opportunity to associate themselves with the hype.

> Taking advantage of the $200 plan.

No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT expense I have. Taking advantage my foot.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by cedws »

deaux wrote: post #190
cedws wrote: post #189

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Ok, let's say I'm not using it to deplete leftover usage, the task just happens to run down the 5 hour window usage. Are you willing to bet your account over whether you've read between the lines correctly? Anthropic aren't going to listen to appeals.

> the task just happens to run down the 5 hour window usage. In a single prompt? From zero usage? That doesn't "just happen".

When you're using the SDK, yes it can. Example: I used the Python SDK to translate a bunch of source code recently. I spawned a subagent for each module that needed translating and left it to run for a few hours with a parallelism limit of 5. It blasted through the 5 hour usage and dug into extra usage credits.

I have zero assurances that the above can't result in a ban. The usage pattern is not distinct from OpenClaw.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by jimmydoe »

zazibar wrote: post #74
sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

A month ago the company I work at with over 400 engineers decided to cancel all IDE subscriptions (Visual Studio, JetBrains, Windsurf, etc.) and move everyone over to Claude Code as a "cost-saving measure" (along with firing a bunch of test engineers). There was no migration plan - the EVP of Technology just gave a demo showing 2 greenfield projects he'd built with Claude Opus over a weekend and told everyone to copy…

lol. dude is so incompetent. changing tool for cost cutting is so stupid, we all know real cost cutting is firing people. if he is really good at he's doing, just fire 10% people and replace them with his Claude. If that didn't get backfired in 3 months, he will be CT0.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

SyneRyder wrote: post #149
danmaz74 wrote: post #141

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Was something using that been banned?

Yep, that's the reason for the new Extra Credit feature in Claude Code. Some people were wiring up "Claude -p" with OpenClaw, so now Anthropic detects if the system prompt contains the phrase OpenClaw, and bills from Extra Credit if that happens: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357 "Anthropic now blocks first-party harness use too claude -p --append-system-prompt 'A personal assistant running inside Ope…

https://xcancel.com/bcherny/status/2041035127430754686#m

> This is not intentional, likely an overactive abuse classifier. Looking, and working on clarifying the policy going forward.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by OlivOnTech »

breton wrote: post #188
derangedHorse wrote: post #94

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Pretty bad decision on his part. I've been telling other engineers within my company who felt threatened by AI that this would happen. That prices would rise and the marginal cost for changes to big codebases would start to exceed the cost of an engineer's salary. API credits are expensive, especially for huge contexts, and sometimes the model will use $200 in credits trying to solve a problem that could be fixed in…

> the model will use $200 in credits trying to solve a problem that could be fixed in an hour by a good engineer with enough context So the price for fixing the problem is equal. Sounds like a great argument for AI.

Most good engineers are way cheaper than that. The world is bigger than the united states.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by malinens »

breton wrote: post #188
derangedHorse wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty bad decision on his part. I've been telling other engineers within my company who felt threatened by AI that this would happen. That prices would rise and the marginal cost for changes to big codebases would start to exceed the cost of an engineer's salary. API credits are expensive, especially for huge contexts, and sometimes the model will use $200 in credits trying to solve a problem that could be fixed in…

> the model will use $200 in credits trying to solve a problem that could be fixed in an hour by a good engineer with enough context So the price for fixing the problem is equal. Sounds like a great argument for AI.

99% of software developers earn less than 200 USD a hour

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by sgt »

derwiki wrote: post #166
sgt wrote: post #130

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But cancelling IDE subscriptions? You need a proper IDE to along side AI augmented development unless you want to simply be along for the ride.

Free VS Code is probably fine

I'm using the JetBrains IDE's and it's definitely worth paying for, even in the age of AI.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by ls612 »

deaux wrote: post #186
andai wrote: post #65

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Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

> (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) How often? Realistically, if you invoke it occasionally, for what's clearly an amount that's "reasonable personal use", then no you don't get nuked.

It’s the same problem people have with Google. If they ban you for some AI hallucinated reason you have no recourse other than going viral on Hacker News.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by MattRix »

hirako2000 wrote: post #152

There is a chef, he opens a restaurant. Delicious food. It costs him more in ingredients alone than he charges. He even offers some pseudo unlimited buffet, combo sets, and happy hours. He announced a new restaurant, apparently it will be even better, so good he's a bit worried. He makes sure to share his worries while he picks a few select enterprise for business parties and the likes. In the meantime he cracks down…

This is close, but the real problem isn’t that the food is underpriced, it’s that the supply of ingredients is severely limited.
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