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Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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The web needs a HIG. All of these people who keep saying that webapps can replace desktop applications were simply never desktop power users. They don’t know what they don’t know.

Yeah it would be nice if the web accessibility guidelines also focused on actually using the thing normally. For example: offsetting the scrollbar from the right edge of the screen by 1px should be punishable by death.

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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post #13

The web needs a HIG. All of these people who keep saying that webapps can replace desktop applications were simply never desktop power users. They don’t know what they don’t know.

I think HIG means "Human Interface Guidelines" here. Seems to be an Apple thing. I wish more people would avoid or at least introduce abbreviations that may be unfamiliar to the audience.

Microsoft had one too: WIG!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22475521

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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And while we're at it, stop with the popups and notifications.

I don't care about the new features in a browser update. Ideally, nothing at all has changed.

I don't want a "tour" of the software I just installed. I, presumably, installed it to do something, and I just want to do that thing.

I don't want to have to select a preference for how a specific action is performed in your software. If it's not what I expected, I will learn it.

And for the love of GOD, nobody wants to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

#24
Most software is not designed by intelligent and thoughtful people anymore. It is designed by hastily promoted middle manager PM/Product type people who, as has been mentioned elsewhere, simply were not around when thoughtful human interface design was borderline mandatory for efficiency’s sake.

There is incompetence and there is also malevolence in the encouragement of dark patterns by the revenue side of the business.

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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> There are hundreds of ways that different websites ask you to pick dates Ugh, date pickers. So many of these violently throw up when I try to do the obvious thing: type in the damn date. Instead they force me to click through their inane menu, as if the designer wanted to force me into a showcase of their work. Let your power users type. Just call your user’s attention back to the field if they accidentally typed 0…

Is 03/04/2026 March 4th or the 3rd of April? If you have an international audience that’s going to mess someone up. Better yet require YYYY-MM-DD.

Or:

- Use localization context to show the right order for the user

- Display context to the user that makes obvious what the order is

- Show the month name during/immediately after input so the user can verify

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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UIs are inconsistent even in the same app. Nevermind plugins or suites. It would be great if menus were customizable so you could plug in your own template.

I prefer to avoid customizing apps. I want to be able to sit down at a fresh install (or someone else's) and not spend time learning their preferences. When someone asks me for a checkbox so they can have my app work their way instead and everyone else can do theirs, the hair stands up on the back of my neck. The check boxes are hard to discover unless you put them front and center, in which case they remain there fo…

I think most non-Linux users haven't made a fresh install in 5-10 years. Preferences files and apps get transferred when you buy a new computer or update your os.

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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"Avoid JavaScript reimplementations of HTML basics, e.g. React Button components instead of styled elements."

Tell me you know nothing about web development without saying you know nothing about web dev ...

1. React is an irrelevant implementation detail. You can have a plain HTML button in a button component, or you can have an image or whatever else. React has nothing to do with the design choices.

2. React is also how you get consistent design across a major web app. Can you imagine if every button on every site was the same Windows button gray color, regardless of the site's color? It'd be awful! React components (with CSS classes) are a way for a site like Amazon to make all their buttons orange (although I don't actually know if Amazon uses React specifically). But again, whether they look and act like standard buttons comes down to Amazon's design choices ... not whether their tech stack includes React or not.

Look idiomatic design is incredibly important to web design. One of the most popular web design/usability books, Don't Make Me Think, is all about idiomatic design!

But ultimately it's a design choice, which has very little, if anything at all, to do with which development tools you use.

Re: Bring Back Idiomatic Design (2023)

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designers are creatives and will always believe the visual elements of a design need to be updated, refreshed, modernized etc.. then we get flavour of the month nand new trends in visual language and ui design that things must be updated to.

As soon as UI design became a creative visual thing rather than a functional thing , everything started to go crazy in UI land..

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