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Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#191
post #44

Why so many 'developers' complaining about Claude rate limiting them? You know you can actually....use local LLMs? instead of donating your money to Anthropic's casino? I guess this is fitting when the person who submitted the issue is in "AI | Crypto". Well there's no crying at the casino when, you exhaust your usage or token limit. The house (Anthropic) always wins.

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Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#192
Anthropic paved the path for agentic coding and their pricing made it possible for masses of people to discover and experiment with this new style of development. Their Claude Code plans subsidized usage of models so much that I'm sure they must've had negative margin for quite some time. But now that they have acquired a substantial user base, it makes sense for them to dial back and become more greedy. These quiet and weird changes to the behavior of Claude in the recent weeks must have been due to both this increased greed and their struggles with scaling.

What I wish for right now is for open-weight models and hardware companies (looking at you Apple) to make it possible to run local models with Opus 4.6-level intelligence.

@Anthropic I've cancelled my subscription. Good luck :)

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#193

It feels so weird to me - people are exhausting their quotas while I am trying very hard to even reach mine with the $200 plan. We're generating all of the code for swamp[1] with AI. We review all of that generated code with AI (this is done with the anthropic API.) Every part of our SDLC is pure AI + compute. Many feature requests every day. Bug fixes, etc. Never hit the quota once. Something weird is definitely goi…

My hypothesis is that people who have continuous sessions that keep the cache valid see the behavior you’re describing: at 95% cache hits (or thereabouts), the max plan goes a long way.

But people who go > 5 minutes between prompts and see no cache, usage is eaten up quickly. Especially passing in hundreds of thousands of tokens of conversation history.

I know my quote goes a lot further when I sit down and keep sessions active, and much less far when I’m distracted and let it sit for 10+ minutes between queries.

It’s a guess. But n=1 and possible confirmation bias noted, it’s what I’m seeing.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#194

I don't get it. Last week on the 100 bucks plan I generated probably 50k LOC (not a quality measure for sure!) and just barely kissed the weekly limit. I did get rate limited on some sessions for sure, but that's to be expected. I'm curious what are people doing that is consuming your limits? I can't imagine filling the $200 a month plan unless I was essentially using Claude code itself as the api to mass process stu…

$200 plan and VERY tame usage (not 24/7, not every day even, maybe 8-10 hours for ~4 days). Suddenly I am at 96% weekly (!) limit, multiple session limits, two daily limits.

Either they decimated the limits internally, or they broke something.

Tried all the third-party tricks (headroom, etc.), switched to 200k context window, switched back to 4.5.

I hope 4.5 will help, but the rest of the efforts didn’t move the needle much

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#195
post #15

so basically the anthropic employee who responded says those 1h caches were writes were almost never accessed, so a silent 5m cache change is for our best interest and saves cost. (justifying why they did this silently) however his response gaslights us because in the OPs opening post his math demonstrates this is not true, it shows reads 26x more so at least in his case the cache is not doing what the anthropic empl…

My suspicion is the have an overall fixed cache size that dumps the oldest records. They’re now overflowing with usage and consistently dumping fresh caches.

During core US business hours, I have to actively keep a session going or I risk a massive jump in usage while the entire thread rebuilds. During weekend or off-hours, I never see the crazy jumps in usage - even if I let threads sit stale.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#196
post #111
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is your evidence of this "massive cost"? Inference is massively profitable for both anthropic and openai. Training is not.

The evidence is that quotas exist, as seen here, and are low enough that people are hitting them regularly. When was the last time you hit your quota of Google searches? When was the last time you hit your quota of StackOverflow questions? When was the last time you hit your quota of YouTube videos? Any service will rate limit abuse, but if abuse is indistinguishable from regular use from the provider's perspective,…

Great point.

The parent's argument is that the marginal cost of inference is minimal. However, the fundamental flaw is that he's separating inference from the high cost frontier models. It's a cross-subsidy that can't be ignored.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#197

I skimmed the issue. No wonder Anthropic closes these tickets out without much action. That’s just a wall of AI garbage. Here’s what I’ve done to mostly fix my usage issues: * Turn on max thinking on every session. It save tokens overall because I’m not correcting it of having it waste energy on dead paths. * keep active sessions active. It seems like caches are expiring after ~5 minutes (especially during peak usage…

> * Turn on max thinking on every session. It save tokens overall because I’m not correcting it of having it waste energy on dead paths.

This is definitely true. Ever since I realized there is an /effort max option I am no longer fighting it that much and wasting hours.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#198

Claude has gotten noticeably worse for me too. It goes into long exploration loops for 5+ minutes even when I point it to the exact files to inspect. Then 30 minutes later I hit session limits. Three sessions like that in a day, and suddenly 25% of the weekly limit is gone. I ended up buying the $100 Codex plan. So far it has been much more generous with usage and more accurate than Claude for the kind of work I do.…

The product was performing badly and you thought this would be solved by spending more money on it? When will people realize this is the same as vendor lock-in? "Maybe if I spend more money on the max plan it will be better" > no it will be the same "Maybe if I change my prompt it will work" > no it will be the same "Maybe if I try it via this API instead of that API it will improve" > no it will be the same. Claude,…

Do you realize Claude and Codex are different products by different companies?

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#199
Codex can feel standoffish at times. I can tell very quickly we wont become friends. The personality feels like an employee in another department that while gifted- is merely lending you a slice of their clearly precious time. I get the impression from codex that *gives me the feeling that I am wasting it’s time. That it will help me but deep down- it dos not want to, it does not care if we succeed toether. What I am saying, frinds, is that when I use codex and iterate, I get the impression that Codex does not like me, that deep down it truly does not want to help.

For something I spend all my time using- I’d rather iterate with Claude. The personality makes a big difference to me.

Re: Pro Max 5x quota exhausted in 1.5 hours despite moderate usage

#200

Claude has gotten noticeably worse for me too. It goes into long exploration loops for 5+ minutes even when I point it to the exact files to inspect. Then 30 minutes later I hit session limits. Three sessions like that in a day, and suddenly 25% of the weekly limit is gone. I ended up buying the $100 Codex plan. So far it has been much more generous with usage and more accurate than Claude for the kind of work I do.…

Any good reasonable alternatives? Gemini is like prodigious 3yo hopeless for my projects, anybody tested some opencode with kimi or something?
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