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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

satvikpendem wrote: post #233
softwaredoug wrote: post #199

Highly recommend people learn the history of the Industrial Revolution. I recently discovered the Industrial Revolutions Podcast[1] and have been enjoying it. What's happening today isn't unprecedented. The pace of change that's happening IS similar to periods of the industrial revolution. For example, the flying jenny, overnight, basically put an entire craft industry of weaving into question. Probably more dramatic…

Thomas Picketty does indeed argue in Capital in the 21st Century that the post World War 2 period is indeed an exception in terms of inequality being lower while historically it is not, and it is reverting back to the mean of there being more inequality these days, yet people bemoan the idea of not being able to live off a single job when in reality that was never guaranteed.

Still, that's no reason to accept a return to that state of affairs. Progress happens slowly and imperceptibly, but on a grand scale it does happen.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

nate8bit wrote: post #13

A lot of the magic of LLMs, I think, has been tarnished by these CEOs and other FAANG companies. It might have been a far more interesting world if they didn't bring "AI" or "AGI" into the conversation in such a politicized way.

Were you around for the first release of GPT? It was not the CEOs that were kvetching about being paperclipped by AGI

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by booleandilemma »

I feel like we should start organizing somehow. As programmers, but more importantly, as people. We should start now before the ruling class has no more need of us and it's too late.

If anyone knows of anything already happening please let me know.

I think it needs to be a grassroots thing because our government's strategy seems to be "let the shit hit the fan and do nothing about it".

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by conartist6 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #155
yoz-y wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this take. For me creativity and thinking is the whole purpose of life.

Then you clearly don't understand my take.

I understood it. Nature has had an amount of computing power to work on this problem that utterly dwarfs the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, amount of compute resources that humans have. Thinking that 10 years of Sam Altman is competitive with all of natural history isn't just out-of-control hubris, it's a complete failure to understand the ground-truth of the world we live in. You may as well try to pay a million dollar debt with a single dime.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by cindyllm »

deadbabe wrote: post #246

I won’t believe AI is truly being met with violence until I see one of these AI tech billionaires get shot multiple times by a person with nothing left to lose. Until we reach that point, it means people still have hope.

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by satvikpendem »

plomme wrote: post #145
mindok wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m convinced that 70% of the workforce of some large organisations is just white collar welfare / adult day care already. Maybe that goes to 80+% as a result of “AI” but doesn’t fundamentally change the model.

I never understood this take. Why do you think an employer would waste resources like that? I’m not saying that bullshit jobs don’t exist but I think you are off by an order of magnitude, and even that mostly applies to white collar workplaces with > 100 employees. Good luck doing nothing of value in a restaurant with 20 employees.

Because they are unaware of the scale of the problem. Especially at the top, managers think being in meetings all day is "work" even if nothing actually gets done in those meetings. Consider people like this [0] automating their jobs and not telling anyone, no one would know otherwise.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/AutoHotkey/comments/1p7xrro/have_yo...

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by dandanua »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #226
Avicebron wrote: post #150

I feel like if people keep using AI as a blanket term for "inequality" and "inequality accelerants" then yeah, it's "AI"'s fault. When in reality the whole thing needs to be decoupled.. "Gleefully taking away people's livelihoods will be met with violence, and nothing good will come of it." - fixed.

People currently assume AI will be an accelerant of inequality because all currently useful models (i.e. those potentially capable of mass labor disruption) are only able to run in multibillion dollar datacenters, with all returns accruing disproportionately to the oligarchs who own said datacenters. I'm not sure this moat is inevitably perpetual. It's likely computing technology evolves to the point of being able to…

> Everyone would have equal access to the ultimate means of production.

You are right that AI can be a fully democratized commodity. The problem is that the current wealth inequality is not the result of AI. Musk became a trillion seeking oligarch not because of AI. It is because the entire financial system is designed to extract wealth from everyone and concentrate at the top. Democratic AI is not in their interest. There will be violence, but not because AI is supposedly a catalyst of inequality. It will be violence from the rich towards the poor, because democratic AI is not acceptable for them.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by booleandilemma »

deadbabe wrote: post #246

I won’t believe AI is truly being met with violence until I see one of these AI tech billionaires get shot multiple times by a person with nothing left to lose. Until we reach that point, it means people still have hope.

You mean like what happened with UnitedHealthcare?

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by satvikpendem »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #251
satvikpendem wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thomas Picketty does indeed argue in Capital in the 21st Century that the post World War 2 period is indeed an exception in terms of inequality being lower while historically it is not, and it is reverting back to the mean of there being more inequality these days, yet people bemoan the idea of not being able to live off a single job when in reality that was never guaranteed.

Still, that's no reason to accept a return to that state of affairs. Progress happens slowly and imperceptibly, but on a grand scale it does happen.

Much as we'd like that to be true ideally, does it happen (in terms of inequality reducing)? I see no evidence of that, it ebbs and flows in various time periods and civilizations. One can try to resist that reversion to the mean but they'd historically be proven wrong.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by wat10000 »

rayiner wrote: post #208
DavidPiper wrote: post #198

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I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

How much actual money do you think the “people with billions of dollars” have in comparison to the needs of the population as a whole? I think you’re very confused about where the actual income in the economy goes.

The question is not how much they have, but how much they will have once all the replaceable jobs are replaced.
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