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Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by felixgallo »

javawizard wrote: post #53
iLoveOncall wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a much more nefarious reason that you're missing. It's pretty clear that OpenAI has consistently used bots on social networks to peddle their products. This could just be the next iteration, mass spreading lies about Anthropic to get people to flock back to their own products. That would explain why a lot of users in the comments of those posts are claiming that they don't see any changes to limits.

The trouble with that argument, though, is that it works the other way as well: how do I, a random internet citizen, know that you're not doing the same thing for Anthropic with this comment? (FWIW I have definitely noticed a cognitive decline with Claude / Opus 4.6 over the past month and a half or so, and unless I'm secretly working for them in my sleep, I'm definitely not an Anthropic employee.)

https://isitnerfed.org/

in short, it looks like nothing has been nerfed, but sentiment has definitely been negative. I suspect some of the openclaw users have been taking out their frustrations.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by lacunary »

brookst wrote: post #119
politelemon wrote: post #76

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Why were third party harnesses banned? Surely they'd want sticking power over the ecosystem.

To be clear they weren’t banned from Claude usage, they were required to use the API and API rates rather than Claude Max tokens. Claude code uses a bunch if best practices to maximize cache hit rate. Third party harnesses are hit or miss, so often use a lot more tokens for the same task.

but claude -p is still Claude Code

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by felixgallo »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

https://isitnerfed.org/

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by drzaiusx11 »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

At some point these AI companies need to pay the piper as it were and actually provide a return for their investors. Expect cost cutting attempts to continue unless backlash is great enough to pose an existential threat to these companies.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by thepasch »

sshine wrote: post #115
politelemon wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were third party harnesses banned? Surely they'd want sticking power over the ecosystem.

One thing is lack of control of token efficiency on what’s already a subsidised product. Another thing is branding: Their CLI might be the best right now, but tech debt says it won’t continue to be for very long. By enforcing the CLI you enforce the brand value — you’re not just buying the engine.

Claude Code was the best harness from roughly around release to January this year. Ever since then, it's become more and more bloated with more and more stuff and seemingly no coherent plan or vision to it all other than "let's see what else that sounds cool we can cram in there."

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by AznHisoka »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

Its not just engineers, and its not just about the 3rd party/rate limiting stuff. I feel like the reasoning capabilities have deteriorated too for non-coding tasks.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by stingraycharles »

rlpb wrote: post #80
andai wrote: post #65

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Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

> It's all circumstantial but everything points towards "desperately trying to cut costs". I have been wondering if it's more geared at reducing resource usage, given that at the moment there's a known constraint on AI datacenter expansion capability. Perhaps they are struggling to meet demand?

It’s more that Anthropic knows that the models themselves are non-sticky, and the real moat is in the ecosystem around it.

It only makes sense for them to get users to use their ecosystem, rather than other tools.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by jeremyjh »

simianwords wrote: post #82
officialchicken wrote: post #69

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The investors are their customers - not the users of the end-product.

This shows a lack of understanding of how markets work. Investors make money when the valuation of the company increases. The valuation of the company is the best prediction of future profit risk adjusted. How would anthropic increase future profits without satisfying customers?

Early investors make money when later investors buy them out at inflated valuations.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by zackify »

jeremyjh wrote: post #128
andai wrote: post #104

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The other day I read that letting another agent invoke claude -p was considered a violation (i.e. letting OpenClaw delegate to Claude Code). Not sure how that's enforced though. I was in OpenClaw discord a while ago and enforcement seemed a bit random. I'll try to find the source, I might have gotten the details mixed up.

It’s not a “violation” but they said it would be charged as extra usage.

This is a funny cat and mouse game. They offer a built in loop command.

Just tmux and use that.

Soon if they drop -p people will just vibe code in 5 minutes a way to type inside it remotely similar to their own built in remote access tool. Seems like a losing game from anthropics side

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by stingraycharles »

joshstrange wrote: post #75
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

> (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) 100% this, I’ve posted the same sentiment here on HN. I hate the chilling effect of the bans and the lack of clarity on what is and is not allowed.

In this case, they handled things pretty well. You can still use openclaw etc with your regular Anthropic subscription, it will just count towards your extra credits / usage which you can buy for a 30% discount compared to API pricing. And they gave everyone one month’s value in credits.

I don’t think they could have done that much better I’d say.

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