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Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by georgemcbay »

simianwords wrote: post #29
pxtail wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's still plenty of "leave my fellow multbillion corp alone" type ones,it means that corp can and should screw it's loving customer base harder.

The enshittification meme has been taken too seriously to the point where it is shoehorned into every single place possible. It is not in the interests for Anthropic to screw its customer base. Running a frontier lab comes with tradeoffs between training, inference and other areas.

It doesn't matter if it is in Anthropic's interest to screw its customer base, if their reported monthly revenue growth is accurate then it makes perfect sense why Claude would be getting dumber...

Demand is way up and compute supply is extremely limited because data center buildouts can't keep up with demand.

In the face of rising demand and insufficient compute their only practical options (other than refusing new business until demand can be met) are signicantly raising the price of tokens (and more tighly limiting subscription options) or doing behind the scenes inference optimizations that are likely to make the model dumber.

It is very easy to believe that they took the route of inference optimizations that have reduced quality of the service and that that is where the perceived enshittification is coming from.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by sshine »

rlpb wrote: post #80
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

> It's all circumstantial but everything points towards "desperately trying to cut costs". I have been wondering if it's more geared at reducing resource usage, given that at the moment there's a known constraint on AI datacenter expansion capability. Perhaps they are struggling to meet demand?

> Perhaps Anthropic is struggling to meet demand?

Yes, definitely, they’re gracefully failing to meet demand. They could also deny new customers, but it would probably be bad for business.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by subscribed »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #90

Changing "regression" to "Anthropic silently downgraded" sensationalizes the story Why the FUD? I notice some interesting public opinion weather change since Anthropic passed OpenAI wrt revenue

From the response in the linked issue:

>> Was there a change? Yes — March 6, intentional, part of ongoing cache optimization. You pinpointed the date correctly.

The entire issue lays out how and why it's a silent downgrade. Also silent because it just happened, without announcing.

I don't understand how is this FUD?

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by sshine »

politelemon wrote: post #76
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

Why were third party harnesses banned? Surely they'd want sticking power over the ecosystem.

One thing is lack of control of token efficiency on what’s already a subsidised product.

Another thing is branding: Their CLI might be the best right now, but tech debt says it won’t continue to be for very long.

By enforcing the CLI you enforce the brand value — you’re not just buying the engine.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by wg0 »

yukIttEft wrote: post #67
davidkuennen wrote: post #13

On slightly off topic note: Codex is absolutely fantastic right now. I'm constantly in awe since switching from Claude a week ago.

I'm currently "working" on a toy 3d Vulkan Physx thingy. It has a simple raycast vehicle and I'm trying to replace it with the PhysX5 built in one ( https://nvidia-omniverse.github.io/PhysX/physx/5.6.1/docs/Ve... ) I point it to example snippets and webdocumentation but the code it gens won't work at all, not even close Opus4.6 is a tiny bit less wrong than Codex 5.4 xhigh, but still pretty useless. So, after reading…

Most of the folks are building CRUD apps with AI and that works fine.

What you're doing is more specialized and these models are useless there. It's not intelligence.

Another NFT/Crypto era is upon us so no you're not holding it wrong.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by olejorgenb »

sshine wrote: post #115
politelemon wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were third party harnesses banned? Surely they'd want sticking power over the ecosystem.

One thing is lack of control of token efficiency on what’s already a subsidised product. Another thing is branding: Their CLI might be the best right now, but tech debt says it won’t continue to be for very long. By enforcing the CLI you enforce the brand value — you’re not just buying the engine.

Maybe they should fix bugs like this then https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/17979#issue... ...

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by jwr »

perks_12 wrote: post #39

Just give us the option to get the quality back, Anthropic. I get that even a $200 subscription is not possible eventually, but give us the option to sub the $1000 tier or tell us to use the API tier, but give us some consistency.

This. I get much more value than 90€ from my Claude Code subscription. I am willing to pay more for consistency and not having to watch my back all the time, because I might get screwed over.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by brookst »

politelemon wrote: post #76
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

Why were third party harnesses banned? Surely they'd want sticking power over the ecosystem.

To be clear they weren’t banned from Claude usage, they were required to use the API and API rates rather than Claude Max tokens.

Claude code uses a bunch if best practices to maximize cache hit rate. Third party harnesses are hit or miss, so often use a lot more tokens for the same task.

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